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Seriously why is circumcision still done today

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I’m glad I’m circumsised. The doctor left me lots of skin, so it is sort of like the best of both worlds. My glans is pretty sensitive, so much so that I can’t handle a ton of direct stimulation.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Not in every case. Our boys were circumcised because my wife and I CHOSE to circumcise them. It had zero to do with religion or old habits. We both agree, that a cut penis looks better and is easier maintenance. Hell, are we going to start getting irritated at women who shave their pussy’s. A big ol’ bushel of hair is how nature intended it, so if they shave it, shame on them? I don’t think so. I happen to like what a shaved vagina looks and feels like.

In fact I’m gonna start a thread on this.

So you’re happy to compare circumcision with hair trimming, you’re joking I hope?
I’m glad your boys circumcision went well (well you can only assume it did, my parents assumed it went well, they don’t know what turkey neck is)

None the less you’re happy for stuff like all this to happen to kids then? There’s some horrible pictures on there, for a procedure simply from the dark ages. It should be banned
http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html

Originally Posted by inches-au
So you’re happy to compare circumcision with hair trimming, you’re joking I hope?
I’m glad your boys circumcision went well (well you can only assume it did, my parents assumed it went well, they don’t know what turkey neck is)

None the less you’re happy for stuff like all this to happen to kids then? There’s some horrible pictures on there, for a procedure simply from the dark ages. It should be banned
http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html

Did I say I was “happy” to compare hair trimming to circumcision? I don’t think I did. I was simply trying to make a point that I THINK that the logic is similar. As to the circumcision going well, I watched it with my own eyes, and it was a simple procedure. ( not archaic in my opinion ) The way it healed, and the risk for infection was similar, to that of the belly button healing after the placenta has been cut. (it took about the same amount of time as well)

I can assure you, that if I wanted to take the time, I could show you an equal number of “horror” pictures from people who have had negative affects from NOT being circumcised. But, the debate will rage on.

Also, I think it’s a bummer that you are one of the people who is having to deal with a negative, (VERY), consequence of circumcision.


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

I am also very happy to be circumcised. I was circumcised as an adult a year ago and that was the best decision that I have ever done.

I’m uncircumcised and I have very little feeling in my glans.

I’ve noticed with PE (stretching in particular) the length of inner foreskin is getting longer but the outer foreskin is remaining the same so during sex or masturbation my inner foreskin rolls up on itself and feels bloody uncomfortable.

In 12-18 months time when I have a heap of holidays in lieu I’m probably going to get cut. Right now my foreskin is doing very little for me except make enjoyable things uncomfortable.


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Originally Posted by Acid Jazz

I can assure you, that if I wanted to take the time, I could show you an equal number of “horror” pictures from people who have had negative affects from NOT being circumcised. But, the debate will rage on.

I’d put down a thousand dollars cash, right this millisecond that you’d have a hell of a time showing me an equal amount of naturally occuring flaws with a boys penis, than there are negative occurances, adjusting something natural is simply and utterly illogical.

How many people have turkey neck and don’t even know it? I didn’t know I had it until I was 23.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Also, I think it’s a bummer that you are one of the people who is having to deal with a negative, (VERY), consequence of circumcision.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by inches-au
I’d put down a thousand dollars cash, right this millisecond that you’d have a hell of a time showing me an equal amount of naturally occuring flaws with a boys penis, than there are negative occurances, adjusting something natural is simply and utterly illogical.

How many people have turkey neck and don’t even know it? I didn’t know I had it until I was 23.

Thank you.

We simply differ completely, on our opionion of this. I’m pretty sure that won’t change.

I ain’t mad at ya though. :wave:


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

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I’d put down a thousand dollars cash, right this millisecond that you’d have a hell of a time showing me an equal amount of naturally occuring flaws with a boys penis, than there are negative occurances

That is a good point, you have to admit. By the way, I think it’s extremely difficult discussing sincerely about this matter, because someone who is circumcised will naturally feel defensive about it. It’s very interesting to read all those opinions, though. In my opinion, aesthetical points should pretty much be ignored, because a) theres no accounting for taste and b) the ideal of beauty is very much influenced by your everyday impressions and experience and can change rapidly.

Originally Posted by maladict
By the way, I think it’s extremely difficult discussing sincerely about this matter, because someone who is circumcised will naturally feel defensive about it.

I’m not defensive about it at all. I like the look and feel of my circumcised penis. (so does my wife) If I was uncircumcised, .. well I’m not, so it is what it is. I’m quite content and Happy with the way I am.


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

The point I’ve made several times is this.

Most uncut guys are happy how they are, if they WANT to change, they can, 100% satisfaction rate.

Most cut guys are happy how they are, however if they want their skin back, they have to damn well re-grow it - not a 100% satisfaction rate.

Let alone screwups like the ones I listed on that website.

The baby with gangrene half his cock missing, his ballsack missing, half the skin from his body missing is just icing on the cake isn’t it.

“Actually no, your dick is your business, your sons dick is HIS business.”

Inches, your quote here from the “other” circumcision thread is your opinion. My job as a parent is to make a judgement FOR him, about his health and well being, until he is old enough to make it for himself. You, sir, will never agree with me, that I feel, that from a health standpoint, and aesthetics, it is better for him to have his unit “cut”. Should I not vaccinate him for fear of the negative consequences that happen to a fraction of a percent of children who are vaccinated? I make a judgement call as to how much risk I am willing to take on HIS BEHALF, as a responsible adult. Would you outlaw circumcision? (I am guessing you would)

It is not different in danger, as I’ve said before, than cutting the umbilical cord as far as infection and the like. You don’t seem to accept that some, (maybe most), people are HAPPY with their units without the foreskin. The premise of all of your posts, with respect to circumcision, are clearly slanted in the camp of “circumcision is mutilation”.

I think uncircumcised people have no right to tell me how to handle my boys health and appearance. I also think all the people who like their foreskin for being attached are welcome to feel that way. I get a little irritated when the assumption is that cut guys are missing out on something, and we, (people who circumcise their boys), are somehow abusing our children. It is ludicrous to me.


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
“Actually no, your dick is your business, your sons dick is HIS business.”
Inches, your quote here from the “other” circumcision thread is your opinion. My job as a parent is to make a judgement FOR him, about his health and well being, until he is old enough to make it for himself.

Agreed completely, so I would say don’t make any un-necessary decisions about his health.
I’m not sure, perhaps you can do some googling for me but I’m not aware of too many uncut men having their penis falling off due to lack of circumcision, perhaps the onion might have more information on this.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
You, sir, will never agree with me, that I feel, that from a health standpoint, and aesthetics, it is better for him to have his unit “cut”.

Oh I agree with a few things in your post, this isn’t one of them, the health standpoint is a myth, the aesthetics is debatable, being your opinion of course you can’t be right or wrong.
To be honest I think a cut dick looks better too, I’d still never do it to anyone else, it’s not my decision.
I also love the look of fake tits, I wouldn’t give my daughter implants for aesthetic reasons.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Should I not vaccinate him for fear of the negative consequences that happen to a fraction of a percent of children who are vaccinated? I make a judgement call as to how much risk I am willing to take on HIS BEHALF, as a responsible adult.

Poor argument, it brings conversation down to arguing points which are myth.
(The answer to this is of course obvious, comparing apples and oranges however is pointless)

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Would you outlaw circumcision? (I am guessing you would)

No I’m afraid you’re wrong there, it’s a choice I think people should have as an option, infact there is very very very rare instances where it’s beneficial due to birth defects.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
It is not different in danger, as I’ve said before, than cutting the umbilical cord as far as infection and the like.

Rubbish and myth, the umbillical cord has to be damn well fixed up, cutting the skin on someone elses cock for religious believe, aesthetic reasons, mythical diseases or because ‘that’s how my daddy did mine’ is a completely different argument.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
You don’t seem to accept that some, (maybe most), people are HAPPY with their units without the foreskin.

Wrong again, sorry dude.
Most people are happy being circumcised, a vast majority!
Denying this would make me a fool and it would negate the value of my incredibly awesome posts and opinion.
You see for most people it did work fine, their cock still works fine, it still looks fine, some would argue better, others worse

I would however argue it is not necessary.
It IS painful to the baby.
It does not magically cause all STD’s to no longer be transmitted.
It does take sensitivity away (although as a cut man, the sensitivity thing has never bothered me, sex still feels good)

Being as it’s completely not a necessary procedure means we have to start looking at the more trivial details about it, seeing as ‘catching std’s easier!’ is a myth.
Turkey neck can be caused by circumcision, it can also occur naturally but it’s most definitely enhanced due to circumcision.
I have turkey neck, I don’t want turkey neck but thanks to naive parents, religion and overall social stupidity, I have it.

I guess I stand with 2 main points here.
1, it’s not your choice, it’s your sons choice, his dick is going to be fine until he’s older - if he wants it cut, let him do it.
2, there is far far far more likely to be complications from un-necessarily cutting someones penis skin, than there would be from simply leaving it alone.
Again, I will comfortably bet any figure of money, any property I own, my life infact on this, it is simple mathematics and logic.

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
The premise of all of your posts, with respect to circumcision, are clearly slanted in the camp of “circumcision is mutilation”.

No it’s more frustration at people blindly making decisions that are not theirs to make.
I mean ultimately I’m right here, there is no way for me to be incorrect.
31 years ago, my parents made the exact decision you’re talking about in this very thread.
They believed they made the right decision.
31 years later, they have been proven wrong - their decision was incorrect, they did the wrong thing, this is a fact.
I don’t hate my parents for this decision, they didn’t know better but they did the wrong thing and *I* not they need to live with the consequences.

So you’re willing to gamble making the wrong decision on your boy, when you can alternatively leave the ‘problem’ alone and let him make his own decision?
What if your son has complications as I have and he ends up being a little less mature about it, what if he resents you for it or hates you?
What if any of these things happen?
http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html#gangrene

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
I think uncircumcised people have no right to tell me how to handle my boys health and appearance. I also think all the people who like their foreskin for being attached are welcome to feel that way. I get a little irritated when the assumption is that cut guys are missing out on something, and we, (people who circumcise their boys), are somehow abusing our children. It is ludicrous to me.

You can think what you like, I was ‘abused’ by my parents making that decision, this is just how it is, I *AM* the statistic sitting right here at this keyboard telling you the issues and you’re still blindly getting irritated by this? You find this ludicrous?
I find your opinion on this frustrating and insulting.

If I decided my child would look good with scars like african children am I abusing him by cutting deep gouges in his stomach?
If I decide my daughter should have a split tongue because I thought it look ‘aesthetically pleasing’ on a body modifcation forum, am I abusing her by having it split at a young age?

You’re not helping anyone by cutting his dick, you’re taking away his right to choose and you’re potentially (albeit unlikely) risking damage to his cock.
There is less likely to be damage to his cock if it’s left alone, PERIOD!
Stop, breathe and just think for a second before you hit reply and before you go and make a choice that simply doesn’t need to be made.

How many humans or animals have ‘evolved’ their foreskin off since it’s ‘not needed’ please supply me with a list…..
Final point:
In 31 years, it may well be YOUR SON sitting on a forum saying “I really wish my parents had not done this to me”

Originally Posted by inches-au

Oh I agree with a few things in your post, this isn’t one of them, the health standpoint is a myth, the aesthetics is debatable, being your opinion of course you can’t be right or wrong.
To be honest I think a cut dick looks better too, I’d still never do it to anyone else, it’s not my decision.
I also love the look of fake tits, I wouldn’t give my daughter implants for aesthetic reasons.

No I’m afraid you’re wrong there, it’s a choice I think people should have as an option, infact there is very very very rare instances where it’s beneficial due to birth defects.

Inches,

This debate can go in circles in perpetuity. I’m not going to go point by point in response to your post because I truly am very happy being cut, and proud and unashamed of having my boys circumcised. (not because I think in any way that you have “won” the argument) You have done what appears to me, to be quite a lot of research to back up your “claims”.

My boys won’t know the difference unless some angry cut, (or uncut) guy fills their heads with the lie that they were somehow abused within a few minutes of birth, and that they are missing something sexually.

You are obviously an intelligent guy, but we will never agree on this issue. So, rather than blather back in forth on this, I will move onto something that is more worthy of my time and energy. (like making my fantastic looking, feeling and performing penis larger ;) )

For the record, I have read many of your posts on other topics, and I have agreed with your opinions and/or interpretations on many occasions. I will see you out there on other threads.


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

The AMA current recommendation is against circumcision which is reflective of the increasing trend of public opinion in the US against it. Well, let me rephrase. They do not recommend it as an elective procedure.

When I was a kid in the 70’s I never even saw an uncut penis til I went to the beach one day and some kid my age was running around naked. I really thought there was something wrong with his dick.

Bizarre, because in this country back in my fathers generation, only about 30% of men were cut. I’d guess the rate was in the 90’s when I was born.


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Definitely am happy with my circumcision. For aesthetic reasons, I think it’s more attractive and girls tend to agree. At least where I’m from. And I have no problems with sensitivity, and if I’m losing any it just makes me last longer, which I’m sure girls appreciate. If orgasms felt any better, maybe I would be even more obsessed with sex than I already am, and that would be bad.

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