orgasm but no cum....... WOW!!!!!!

im not only doing this for my partner, but for myself too…..

I have very bad sensitivity, im able to pull off using kegel from point of no retrun, but as soon as i move again, im there again…. maybe i need practice with that…

and for me, i usualy get very tired afterwards and so, i would like to keep this, only if it isnt harmful for my body… read somewehre that sperm gets absorbed in blood again(recycled).

Gottagrow:

Tailbone? I’ve been around for a while, but I’ve never heard anything about this… DO tell, man!

The PC/Kegel I’m very familiar with - how does the tailbone muscle differ?

Thanks!

<waits impatiently - excited to learn new stuff>

Baccart:

Try relaxing your leg and butt muscles completely. I find that if I do this, I simply cannot orgasm (as long as I’m mentally relaxed as well - that’s key). It is, of course, difficult to do while you are the “giver”. Practice with her on top of you. Maybe combine it with the kegel. You have to do the relaxing bit before the point of no return by the way… then supplement with kegel when it gets near.

Let me know if it helps or it’s just me.

Pamdaga, this is very hard for me to explain how you find it and then squeeze it, but I will try.

The muscle is not the pc muscle. Very seperate. It is at the very bottom of where the spine ends in your ass.

If you try to imagine sucking water up through your ass that might help you locate it. Imagine you are sitting in a warm bath and now try and suck some water up your ass. I have never tried sucking water up my ass and don’t even know whether it would work but just imagine it was possible and try sucking as you imagine it.

Hopfully you will be feeling a certain small muscle contracting and squeeze near your anus and tailbone area when you try this.

What you are hopfully succesfully squeezing is part of this tailbone muscle but there is more behind what you should have been able to squeeze, actually right under the ending of the spine. Try and squeeze both that part aswel. Explore all those muscles that you can squeeze around that area and you will find it. You want to be able to squeeze all of it and not just the part you should have discovered by trying to suck with your ass.

Once you have discovered it all, you need to exercise it by squeezing it maybe 300 times a day to get your brain used to squeezing it and controlling it successfully and too strengthen it also.

Then experiment using it whilst masterbating. Don’t go for trying to hold off cumming by flexing it straight away. You will most likely fail. Instead make yourself hard and then whilst still rubbing, squeeze the tailbone muscle and see if you can make yourself lose feeling in your dick and start going soft even though you are still rubbing. If you do it correctly, you will succeed and then you should after a few sessions start taking yourself closer to orgasm and then flex and make yourself limp by squeezing it again.

You have now mastered how to use it and you can now proceed to taking yourself very close to orgasm and then flex it for just long enough to shut feeling off from your dick and lose the need to cum but still stay very hard by not squeezing for too long. You would have been rubbing your dick all the time but you won’t have cum and you will be able to go on and on so long as you squeeze the tail bone muscle when needed.

I don’t even bother waiting until I need to cum before I squeeze it. I just do it hear and there and then build up my excitment again and keep doing that.

Explore for yourself and you shouldn’t have any problems.

Two things could be happening:

You could have developed enough control of your PC muscle to have a series of dry orgasms - feeling but no ejaculate, (nice to get there) or,

You could be ejaculating backwards, in fact, in what is called “retrograde ejaculation.” The ejaculate does not exit through the urethra, squeezed off as it is in your case, and has nowhere else to go but backward, into your bladder. Nothing wrong or dangerous with this; the feeling is very similar to a normal ejaculation. But you are having a fluid ejaculation in this case.

If you want to check out what is really happening, urinate very shortly after one of these “dry” ejaculations. If some of the result is lumpy or somewhat whitish or thickened, resembling ejaculate, you may be going retrograde and not retaining the fluids you think you are.

but I don’t think I can “perform” as long as you guys apparently like to. I often hear people talking about having sex for hours on end and I wonder why. I rather enjoy the prelude to the kiss. The foreplay. Then penetration and the turning over to go to sleep. Marathon sex is great from time to time. On a regular bases, I would have a problem with it. For one, women get tired too. Sometimes too much is just that. Personally, I feel bad when I am doing a guy, riding a guy, what have you, and he is taking forever and a day to cum. To make a man cum is a thrill for some girls too you know. To have sex with a guy and he takes forever to cum, it is like a blow to my ego, personally. It makes it seem like I am a trailer and the guy is waiting for the feature presentation. I like to know I am exciting him. Arousing him. Stimulating him to exertion so we both find gratification.

Sometimes women like to get that release too. Sometimes we get extremely horny and just want to *f* and have it done and over with, without the drawn out performance. Maybe entering in my thirties I am looking back and saying, been there, done that. I can appreciate other things pertaining to sexual exploration that is just as titillating as having someone pound my twat dry. Just the touch and smell of a man can be arousing.

I wonder if any of you guys have a girl who is really wet and then she gradually dries up. You don’t notice too much until the friction starts to get to you, or you just don’t care. Well, the natural lube that had you penis gliding through her tunnel of love was her doing. She was aroused. The sudden drought could mean that she has gotten bored. That it is playing out too long. That she is thinking of faking an orgasm because it is taking too long for you to cum.

I guess I should not generalize this. This is solely how I and some girlfriends feel. :blue:

Maybe anna, but when I actualy bother with marathon sex, the women I go with don’t take for ever to cum, waiting for me to cum. They cum several times and I only go so long if I think she wants to have many orgasms and then only if I like her enough to bother doing that for her or I want to practise my skills on her.

Because I mostly have casual sex, I don’t feel the need to make them cum over and over because as far as i’m concerned they shouldn’t expect me to have to work my ass off to give them more than one climax as you only bother with casual sex because you want something out of it, so I am there for me. So sometimes I might only bother making them cum once and then I cum. If I am very hungry for it, I will cum over and over and because I take a while to do that she gets the chance to cum over and over aswel.

I mostly only bother practising marathon masterbation and rarely bother having marathon sex because I am there to get myself off and so long as they get one climax I don’t care and it is only worth putting that much time and energy in for someone you love and these girls I do not love. Or to practise during masterbation, to home your skills and abilities. I make masterbation sound like training camp, lol.

but women have a hard time climaxing. Not sure about all, but there have been many studies about it. Which is why some women have petitioned for a female form of viagra. If they have mutiple orgasms it is great. I have had a few myself. But it is not a norm. Have you seen When Harry Met Sally?

You really don’t have to work hard to give her an orgasm. If she is working with you, she is working on getting it herself. I am outnumbered here so I will just leave it at that. :babe2:

If she doesn’t go red and start sweating the I know she probably didn’t cum. If her eys glaze over and she has convulsions in her pussy I know what is happening. Anyway, half the time, I let the w0omen go on top and do all the work. Like I said, I don’t often do marathon sex. I always lick to get her wet an then away we go.

I ‘m not gunna say I am a stud. I am not. More size is needed for me to please them more and I am still young and have never made love which I want to experience badly. If you have only ever had casual sex, you haven’t really experienced what sex is all about. Sure I make woman climax and can give them more than one but even I don’t find sex all that satisfying even when I cum many times. Orgasms aren’t the greatest thing in the world. They can be quite lonely when having casual sex. Or even masturbating. I just do it to relieve an erge and nothing more. When I give my love to a woman, sex will mean so, so much more and be much more fulfilling.

Anna, I think many women have trouble climaxing because so many men either don’t lick, don’t lick long enough, or don’t even lick very well. Once the forplay has been taken care of most women can climax easily with penetration, so long as their clit is still stimulated at the same time. Which may mean using a hand on the clit whilst banging away, or positioning yourself so that as you ram into her your pelvis hits her clit.

You might remember that I was the one that brought up the fact that woemn are much harder to please than men are and that is because if a woman doens’t say to a man what does and doesn’t work he is going to be clueless at pleasing her unless he knows how to spot what subtle signs apear when a woman climaxes other than her screaming which can be faked. Because women can tell what works for a man because he stays hard and shoots cum, she finds it easy to learn.

There are some women however that can’t cum no matter whether they masterbate or have sex. Insuch cases they need to see a sexual therapist and much of it may be to do with how their mind is hardwired and what their phycology is because women need to be very mentaly turned on to climax for the most part.

In such situations, if a therapist cannot help she might want to see if a clitoral vibrator helps. The clit is the most sensative part for women, so if a vibrator on her clit does not do the trick, she has no hope.

Anna, perhaps you and I have/had the same girlfriends… most that I know aren’t into marathon sex either. Generally speaking, after an orgasm, they tend to fall into a deep slumber unless I indicate that I want to continue and then they give me another few minutes. Multiple orgasms happen, but I really believe that they are much more ballyhooed than reality warrants.

Most people I meet confirm this. I think some legs are being pulled. Also, people tend to think they are doing what they feel like they should be doing. Several girls I knew always insisted we had been having sex for hours when it was usually no more than 20 or 30 minutes. Time slows down maybe… who knows?

Some women simply will not orgasm through penetration or indirect clitoral contact. In fact, the data suggests that it is the majority of women who fall into this category. Some will. I had one girlfriend that was unable to climax through oral manipulation (something that I have always prided myself on) but would do so within a minute or two with penetration. Twilight Zone.

The most satisfying sex I’ve ever had is that which I have with my wife. She is not one of the large-breasted, sex-bombs of days past, and she doesn’t orgasm all the time like she is “supposed to”, but she doesn’t really care one way or another. I can make her orgasm at will with my fingers or mouth, but she often prefers penetration knowing full well that it won’t lead to orgasm. She just likes to make love to me. She’s insatiable about it too. It’s great. I’m a lucky man. I can’t imagine being married to one of the girls I’ve dated in the past that insisted that her orgasm is a constitutional right and must be attended to as a priority. That is, imo, quite an unhealthy attitude.

Gottagrow: when you squeeze the tailbone muscle does your anal sphincter pucker up? Is it possible to squeeze that and your PC together at the same time? I ~think~ I know what you’re talking about… but not sure. I’ll experiment. Thanks!

Pamdaga, your woman sounds great. I would love to find a woman like that.

I am not sure what you are calling the “sphincter”.

The sphincter is the muscle that surrounds your anus. It’s the muscle you use when you to “hold it” really really need to take a dump but there is no bathroom around.

Lol - hope that helps.

GOTTAGROW!!!

man, i would love to be in your shoes,

Were you quick before and now your ok after those focusing and kegeling???

Pamdaga. Squeezing what you refer to will help maybe but the most important part to squeeze is behind that which is the very closest part to the tailbone or end of the spine. You are trying to shut the nerve from the spine to the penis off and that requires blocking the nerve at the spine by using the squeeze right at the tip of the spine ending.

Baccart. I was never quick in the first place. It isn’t about doing thousands of kegels every day. It is about teaching your brain and it’s connection to your sexual nerves and organs how to behave. The brain can be taught to perform different tasks and functions in the body.

Inorder to teach your brain and nerves to react in an altered way, you must program them. To do that, you need to spend time practising and singling out how to manage to manipulate your body towards a certain goal. That takes practise. A pool player has spent time to learn how to manipulate his hands and arms by what his eyes judge. It has taken time for his brain to beat down the pathways in the brain to cope with the task his hands need to do. A baby takes time to learn how to walk because it’s pathways in the brain for performing tasks have not been laid yet. You need to run yourself through these sexual rituals over and over so that your brain can figure out how to do them efficiently and effectively.

Use the method I told you about for switching your brain into auto-pilot and practise it and give yourself time to manage it.

Kegels help but the brains power is far more important than the muscle power. Although to have both is the ultimate balance for achieving.

To be able not to cum when climaxing, you need to develope a strong pc but inorder to make it become an auto-pilot mechanism you need to practise so your brain can learn how to do it by itself.

To develope the pc towards not cumming, you don’t need thousands of kegels. You need to flex it extremely hard when you are near cumming. My pc flexes are at their most powerful when I am fully erect and needing to cum. This is when to squeeze the life out of your pc. I remember when I was first trying to not cum when climaxing, I would flex with all the power in my body. My whole body would flex and clench because I was trying so hard to hold of cumming by squeezing the life out of my pc. Once you manage it, it gets easier and easier. Your pc gets stronger and also more efficient at squeezing with less focus. Then the brain learns how to do it by itself if all you do is hold of cumming when climaxing.

Gottagrow and others,

Today, after a very elongated PE routine, I decided to experiment with extreme kegeling as part of my attempt to achieve multiple orgasms. I can’t believe what happened. In a nutshell and in a period of time of about 1.5 hours, I had nine separate orgasms with minimal to no fluid output.

All I did was bring myself to the beginning of a regular orgasm and then squeeze the life out of a kegel while imagining the squeeze reaching to the tailbone (as described by “Gottagrow” on Thunders Forum). It was extremely difficult to hold the kegel, since everything in my body was saying to relax and let the cum flow. But I held on tight to the kegel until the orgasm feeling had subsided. At the end of this first orgasm, a bit of semen escaped, but even with that my penis remained hard and full. The feeling of the orgasm was like I normally have but without the sense of complete exhaustion that normally accompanies a strong orgasm. Also, when I started rubbing my dick again, it responded immediately just like it had never had the first orgasm.

Out of curiosity, I decided to see if I could do it all again. And to my amazement, I did the same routine and orgasmed again. I kept up this routine, coming over and over again at about 10 minute intervals for a total of nine times. The only reason I didn’t try to go for more was because I had to stop and pick up my child from school.

This is an unbelievable personal discovery. I thought I knew it all, but this is something incredibly special. The next chance I get, I’m going to try for a personal record and see how many times and in what kind of time frame I can experience these repeat orgasms. Then I’ll culminate the experience with a full-on, let the cum go orgasm to see how intense that will feel. Thanks to “Gottagrow” for the posts which gave me the information to get started on this new journey. I’ve never had any problems with coming too soon during sex with my wife and previous partners, but with this technique I could stay hard and last for hours, if I wanted.

Peforeal