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Length vs. Girth: The True Debate

Depends on the woman. Also, depends on the sensation you prefer.

Girth, gives a different sensation than ‘bottoming out’ or ‘hitting the back wall’ and length isn’t exactly preferred when speaking about some of the…lofty length goals some of us have. Also, excessive girth rapidly shrinks your partner pool to those brave enough to try it and ruins anal chances for most of us.

It’s been calculated that 7.4x5.6” is the ideal cock for almost every woman on Earth as it is big enough to be big in any dimension and small enough that it won’t tear them apart or pummel the cervical opening. And the only reason there is a ‘debate’ is cuz us as men have different (longer) optimum sizes than women due, based on how our egos work.

If men and women believed sex worked the same way and saw it the same way, the optimum sizes would be the same.


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Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Depends on the woman. Also, depends on the sensation you prefer.

Girth, gives a different sensation than ‘bottoming out’ or ‘hitting the back wall’ and length isn’t exactly preferred when speaking about some of the…lofty length goals some of us have. Also, excessive girth rapidly shrinks your partner pool to those brave enough to try it and ruins anal chances for most of us.

It’s been calculated that 7.4x5.6” is the ideal cock for almost every woman on Earth as it is big enough to be big in any dimension and small enough that it won’t tear them apart or pummel the cervical opening. And the only reason there is a ‘debate’ is cuz us as men have different (longer) optimum sizes than women due, based on how our egos work.

If men and women believed sex worked the same way and saw it the same way, the optimum sizes would be the same.

Very well said..

7.4 Bpel or Nbpel?

The oft quoted 7.5 ideal length for the average vag is BP.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" ///////// Now 7.4" x 4.9"

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
The oft quoted 7.5 ideal length for the average vag is BP.

Yep


Start: Dec 2016 BPEL: 6.125" MEG: 5.5" (5' - 9" 264 lb)

Curr: Oct 2017 BPEL: 6.75" MEG: 5.625" (5' - 9" 245 lb)

Goal: 7.5" x 6" .......I want to win the dick swinging contest.

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
The oft quoted 7.5 ideal length for the average vag is BP.

Well already too long…might as well get even longer. lol

Glad to hear the ideal girth isn’t 6” or more though, as many of us would likely believe/have thought.


Current: BPEL 8"/NBPEL 6.75" MEG 5.2", BPFL 6.75"/NBPFL 5.5" FG 4.5"

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Realistic Goal: BPEL 8.5"/NBPEL 7.5" EG 5.5" | Optimistic: BPEL 9"/NBPEL 8" MEG 5.75" | Dream: BPEL 10"/NBPEL 9" MEG 6.5"

I think are important both, length and girth, for me and my goal is 9x7
we know that is important to have a good length but you can touch her Cervix and float in her pussy because of your low girth.
and you can have a good girth and feel her at 100% but you can´t touch her cervix, and we know that men’s pleasure is to hurt her and touch her wall.

for me both are important, and when you´re flirting with a mum we know that she needs more girth por example.

and the negative thing for having a good cock( girth and length) is that annal and blow jobs(less) will be a problem, but for me i prefer to have a good cock and don´t have annal sex.

Regards folks

Although there are some who probably don’t want to hear this I feel like I should chime in on this one, as I now, after more than 30 years of pe, am able to spring a very big erection, 9 x 7.5 with 10 inch base girth. I don’t feel like there are any disadvantages. I still can get a blow job, they are just different, but just as good, maybe better. Intercourse is fantastic with a big tool. It changes the dynamic in ways that are very satisfying. And don’t even get me started on what initial reactions are like.

Originally Posted by swaffel
Although there are some who probably don’t want to hear this I feel like I should chime in on this one, as I now, after more than 30 years of pe, am able to spring a very big erection, 9 x 7.5 with 10 inch base girth. I don’t feel like there are any disadvantages. I still can get a blow job, they are just different, but just as good, maybe better. Intercourse is fantastic with a big tool. It changes the dynamic in ways that are very satisfying. And don’t even get me started on what initial reactions are like.

That’s exactly what we all want to hear. A green light to go for huge.

So what do you think of the commonly cited disadvantages of going beyond 8x6? For example bottoming out, no longer being able to grind, bumping into the cervix, not being able to go rough or fast, too thick for quickies, being unable to fit girth in smaller women, so thick unable to hit specific spots, certain positions off limits etc?

I’ve always thought it strange that women go ga-ga for a 6x6 bulge that corresponds to a 9x7 BPEL. They love a huge one for eye candy, but there is all this anecdotal evidence on the site that they prefer a 7.5 x 5.5 for intercourse.

Basically the argument goes that as long as a penis is neither too small, nor too big, that the relative importance of size is negligible. Therefore get the largest penis that is not too big. And apparently 7.5 BP and 5.5 EG is where some women start having issues with it being too big.

I could live with some negatives if there are positives to cancel it out. Of the women who prefer beyond 8x6 - the men who actually have it are a rare treat. And even the women who can’t handle beyond 8x6 still think it looks amazing, so there’s a kind of attractive sexual dominance in play - they want it but can’t have it. Which then gives a huge status boost, sexual confidence, etc.

Then there’s women who enjoy CDS stimulation, supposedly a small percent of women. And there’s the point that a lot of the so called negatives of huge girth - actually turn into positives once a woman is fully aroused.

Some guys over 8 say they bottom out on everyone they’re with. Other guys say they almost never bottom out even with 9.

It’s a tough decision filled big dicked life we live.


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My wife sometimes says, Too deep, and I am not quite 7” BPEL. She even said no more length, but she wants more girth. Women can manage any girth, or so sayeth my fingers and tongue.

So 7” for her, no longer.

I dunno. Ever hear that joke? Little Timmy walks into a whorehouse and drops his pants.

They all laugh and one of them says, Who you gonna satisfy with that little thing?

Timmy says, Me.

It is up to her to find her ideal cock. If not mine, keep hunting, girl. I cannot make them all happy, but I would like to have just one who says I am her perfect cock.

As I stated many times, go to the adult toy store and find your size. Some girl pays money to fantasize with your cock. Some laugh at it, some say hell no, some secretly use it at work, and some turn it down or worship it no matter the size.

That said, a comfortable fit without pain is best for everyone. The issue is defining comfortable, which brings her vagi into consideration. My ex could swallow a 10x7 in her canyon, but my wife takes a while to slip me in, she is a money clip.

Anyway.

Saul


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“So what do you think of the commonly cited disadvantages of going beyond 8x6? For example bottoming out, no longer being able to grind, bumping into the cervix, not being able to go rough or fast, too thick for quickies, being unable to fit girth in smaller women, so thick unable to hit specific spots, certain positions off limits etc?”

All of that is true. All of that is good. Bottoming out is simply a place for her to stretch, expand, and open. A clearing of the way, so to speak, of the all important birth canal. Essentially this is what you are doing, which I think is one of the things, perhaps only on an instinctual level, that is so appealing and enjoyable, if done right, for the woman.
As far as not being able to fit one’s girth into a lover’s vagina, I think that can be turned into a good thing. I didn’t get a chance to try, but I think it would have been very possible. She, I think even thought so, or probably even would like to have tried if she wasn’t already engaged to be married. I said to her that in two weeks time she would be loving it. She said “more like two year” but she was smiling. And I have to say, even though I couldn’t penetrate that beautiful, tiny, asian vagina, I had one of the most erotic experiences of my life that left me glowing for a month. I think she did to, or maybe she was just so fucking grateful that i wasn’t going to force it in her that she reciprocated with the best show ever. Hard to know for sure, but she seemed to be coming non stop just rubbing her wet snatch against it, and she did have a nice glow about her afterward.
As for the idea that girth can prevent one from “hitting” certain spots. I think that’s silly. You hit all spots, weather you want to or not. This is why that with a large, stiff tool, if you wish to achieve maximum penetration with minimum pain, position is critical. The absolute best is, and I can’t think what it’s called but basically the classic khama sutra position, face to face, man beneath, unable to thrust, the woman in charge of depth control. In this position is where the beauty of a long, ever thickening tool shines most. It provides the possibility for continued expansion, or you could even say fulfillment. And it’s just good fun.
“I’ve always thought it strange that women go ga-ga for a 6x6 bulge that corresponds to a 9x7 BPEL. They love a huge one for eye candy, but there is all this anecdotal evidence on the site that they prefer a 7.5 x 5.5 for intercourse.”
Well, I don’t really know. I haven’t been with all that many woman since having achieved what I thought was a pretty dam big dick. I didn’t really understand it at first. A couple of woman I wanted to be with for more than just a fling ended up not liking it much. Both had periods of soreness that they complained about, but now I think it was because we didn’t have a good understanding of what we were doing. Since those experiences I’ve hooked up with a woman, and the approach taken has been way more satisfactory. Very good in fact. Though I’m not with her now,(I’ll hook up with her again) I’ve no doubt she would say it has been the best sexual experience of her life.

” Basically the argument goes that as long as a penis is neither too small, nor too big, that the relative importance of size is negligible. Therefore get the largest penis that is not too big. And apparently 7.5 BP and 5.5 EG is where some women start having issues with it being too big. “
I suppose that is true. But the way I see it with a potential lover is that we have as much time as we need for penetration, and taking it slow only adds to the romance. I don’t think most woman are expecting intercourse to be pain free. It’s simply a matter of how that pain is going to be applied, and over what duration of time will it be applied. There is a fine line between pleasure and pain, and with a large tool the line is felt more easily. There’s no anxiousness to create it either, like when I was much smaller. I felt like like I really needed to give a pounding, or something like it, or get into all manner of positions to keep it interesting. Not any more.

“I could live with some negatives if there are positives to cancel it out. Of the women who prefer beyond 8x6 - the men who actually have it are a rare treat. And even the women who can’t handle beyond 8x6 still think it looks amazing, so there’s a kind of attractive sexual dominance in play - they want it but can’t have it. Which then gives a huge status boost, sexual confidence, etc.”
The positives are too numerous to tell. I’ve talked about it before, and I don’t think many have taken it seriously, but it’s still true, at least in my experience. The pleasure my sex organ has been able to produce in me has increased with development. Development which has led to a much larger erect organ. I would say that tripling my size has also tripled the pleasure factor. Now just getting an erection is practically a psychedelic experience.
I don’t know about the dominance thing so much. I know a big bulge upon first glance gets attention from some woman, especially young ones. It can be cool but not so cool sometimes too like when men I notice men checking it out. I’ve learned that with first time gazers at my naked hanger a major reaction is to be expected. Generally it has been a sort of giddy excitement. Of course I love that. And yes it is great for your confidence. I was confident enough when hooking up with my last girlfriend that i simply told her I probably had the biggest cock she had ever seen, and I wanted her to know so that we might avoid any problems that it could cause, as it had caused some for me in the past. She told me latter that this really got her going, not because she was so excited to try out a big one but rather that I had confidently and honestly spoken on such a personal subject that related to both of us. She was only just a little curious about the size. But even after we had discussed it, and I showed her a selfie, she was quite taken aback when presented with the real thing. She, of course, got used to it. She does say she doesn’t want me to get any bigger.

“Then there’s women who enjoy CDS stimulation, supposedly a small percent of women. And there’s the point that a lot of the so called negatives of huge girth - actually turn into positives once a woman is fully aroused.”
What I’ve noticed is that when a woman is truly fully aroused, (and there are many levels that need to be gone through) is that she becomes a frothing mess of wetness, and she continually want’s to stretch herself to breaking, to the point where she could seriously hurt herself if some restraint isn’t applied. Like I said, I didn’t always understand this, but now it doesn’t become an issue mostly because we always engage in this khama sutra position, which allows me to tilt my hips back so that my thighs become a limiting factor as to how far my lover can descend onto my tool. I can sense the edge of the envelope an easily pull back when I feel it’s prudent. This practice has led to better and better intercourse for us both. And over the last few years she has stretched out a lot. I don’t think she will ever be able to take it all, unless somehow cervical penetration is possible. I hope so. Does anyone know anything about this? I thought one time with another girlfriend that I was starting to do this. Felt like it. She said so too. She wasn’t willing to keep trying however, and we stopped having sex altogether. She was never very thrilled about the physical sensations that intercourse provided her. She was always about the emotional connection it provided. She finally came right out and said my dick was too big. It was already pretty big when we first hooked up about twenty years ago, but as time went on it got bigger and bigger. For years she said she didn’t mind, even thought I was kind of cool for achieving such a thing. but the day came when it wouldn’t fit in her mouth, and she began crying. No kidding. Here’s the thing though, were still together. Not all the time, but a lot. We just don’t have sex, though we do lots of cuddling and engage in all manner of intimate contact. It just isn’t sexual anymore. She suggested to me many years ago that I get another lover who would be for me what I needed sexually. This, one wouldn’t think could work out so well, but because of my life style does actually work. I live two different lives, but only at separate times in separate places. It’s a long story. Long and short of it is that I am lucky enough to have two women in my life that I love, and love me back, in their different ways. I don’t want to possess either of them, and they don’t want to possess me.
“Some guys over 8 say they bottom out on everyone they’re with. Other guys say they almost never bottom out even with 9.”
I’ve had 8.5 or longer for maybe ten years now, and have always bottomed out on all of the twenty or so lovers I’ve had in that time. In these last ten years the vast majority of gains have come in girth, especially base girth, an this has definitely added to the bottoming out factor. To the point, like I said, that the bottom can come even before penetration. But man I’ll say it one more time, it is totally worth it.
One last thing, BD, if you wouldn’t mind telling me your understanding of what cds stimulation is I’d be glad to hear it.

Sounds like you are a lucky man, thanks for the candid reply.

Good mindset about “too big” just treat it as a good thing. A true PE purist, finding the joy in gains no matter what. Use it as anticipation, a challenge, and if it doesn’t fit, just have fun with non-penetrative sex and love-making on other levels.

Cervical penetration isn’t possible as I understand it. The opening of the cervix remains very small, on the order of millimeters, except during childbirth. Regarding Cul De Sac stimulation, it’s just a term for truly bottoming out into the posterior fornix of the vagina. Some women are inclined to cervical orgasms. With enough size, you slip either in front of, or past the cervix, and rest in the anterior or posterior fornix. Bottoming out, and just grinding or nudging there drives some women nuts. It’s not cervical penetration, but just kind of massaging it, and the fornix. Shorter guys will not even reach the cervix, or if they do will be bumping into it. Longer guys go past it, and CDS stimulation is just a term for this extra form of pleasure, or different quality of orgasm that results. Judging by your reply you’re no stranger to CDS stimulation, although maybe you are sometimes bottoming out because of base girth rather than hitting the CDS. It also sounds like it may have to do a large part with volume rather than just length. That may explain why some guys bottom out more frequently than others even at the same length. Bottoming out has its drawbacks, but if your girl is open to cervical orgasms, it can be a huge positive.

I’ve had a huge increase in pleasure as well over the years of PE. Part of it has been learning Tantra, MMO, SKF, etc, and expanding into better orgasms in general. But part of it is edging while doing intense PE. It has amplified the potential intensity of pleasure tremendously. Sometimes the energy in my belly, heart or third eye region even trumps the genital orgasm.

It makes a lot of sense what you said about big girth and multiple levels of arousal, wetness, and vaginal expansion. The more arousal, the more pain that can go with it, and the more girth a woman can take.

It’s always good to hear first hand experiences of the size that most of us only dream about. It does seem like you have some limitations but make the best of them. That said, most guys are wondering about the limitations in the 20-30 cubic inch range, and you’re around 40 ci and making penetrative sex work with most of the women you’re with. Considering I started at about 7 ci, and tripling up would put me at 21, it’s practically a moot point for me, at least for the next 10 years or so. Your reply affirms my choice to slow down on length, and focus almost entirely on girth from here on out.


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Well, Dude, I have a strong feeling you are going to achieve all your goals, and probably go beyond them. P.E. ,I guess you know, is highly addictive with enough initial time and development. The more development the more addictive.

I think I am just now truly starting to see what my absolute limit is in terms of size and firmness. I’ve been somewhat surprised this summer to see more increases in this regard - like 99 % all being in my base. My penis actually grew in length, but in the other direction. No bone pressed increase in measure, but rather an increase in length when measured from the tip, down the underside to where the fully erect, heel shaped base curls back into the pelvic floor. This measurement has been steadily increasing, and my base has been becoming more heel shaped, since I started taking the measurement a few years ago. Yes, I mean like the heel of my foot, and much the same size now. I can’t remain erect long enough to take the measurement pressure free. I have to take the measurement while erect in my namba, as it is a much simpler matter to maintain an erection under positive, uniform pressure.I actually can’t become fully erect without pressure. I can get pretty close during a blowjob or something like it, but a namba or my girlfriend’s sweet vag is my only chance these days of getting fully erect. Anyway, the namba solves the measuring problem. It’s a simple matter to deduce an accurate measure. I’ve experienced a full inch increase in just two years, which kind of blows my mind. I’m sure it’s due to all the pumping I’ve done this last few years with my heel shaped cylinder. I never have been able to get a clamp that far down, and keep my balls on the right side and maintain a full erection until just recently. Could never have happened, I don’t think, without the aid of my custom cylinder.

It’s interesting, I can’t get fully erect even with a cock ring any more. It’s because it prevents the base from ballooning. That is what it has become like. My base is literally ballooning to a very large size compared to the rest. These last few months I’ve had erections that measured in girth at the base, as taken down around the heel, at 12 inches. I know how crazy that sounds. And some guys are thinking that this just aint right. But it is right. My dick finally looks and feels just right. I think this feeling has come because I’ve reached my maximum level of development.. Finally. And it feels great. I’ll keep at it though. You know how addictions are. It’s probably a real good thing that there is a limit to size development, at least through natural means, if, that is, I have a right to call all this natural.

I can’t stop fantasizing about cervical penetration, so your news about the odds is depressing. I have to admit it seems unlikely. None the less I like to imagine how it might be possible, in a natural way, to do just this. I image if it is possible it would certainly require a woman who thought so, and wanted to try. and I’m sure a lot of time and practice would be required. Sensitivity training. Thats one thing that has increased so much throughout my pe training is the sensitivity of the glans. I can make out exactly where my lovers cervix is though the touch of my glans. and position the tip so it resides at the opening. This has become easier to do with increased top end girth. It helps to center and stabilize her cervix. The problem with this approach for potential penetration is that for me now because of the way my tool has developed the glans are no longer the ideal prominence to help force penetration. My glans have slowly tipped back over the now more prominent feature of my full erection which is the bulging end of the shaft. My sensitivity there is not so descriptive. and the tip can’t be reliably placed at the exact opening. Yea. so it’s like I have two tips now, but only when fully erect. Immediately as erection decreases, the glans slip back over what had been the protruding tip of the shaft, which is now soft and no longer noticeably tip shaped at all.

Anyway, I know I’m probably just blowing smoke up my own ass to even entertain the possibility. but it’s something I’ve been practicing for a while, blowing smoke, and I don’t see a good reason to stop. It got me to where I am now. I’ve always had a very positive outlook when it comes to personal goals. So I’m going to remain positive, and continue to pursue my dream of ultimate glory. Full and complete penetration of vagina and womb. I will live to see the entire content of my tool, throbbing beneath the pregnant form of my lovers abdomen. Just like in the cartoons. Dude, am I fucking sick? I’ve wanted this since early childhood. In a way it seems totally fucked up, Yet I can’t help imagining that it would be awesome for both of us…who ever that special woman might be. I can see it in such fine detail. I imagine her reaching a level of arousal that permits of the extraordinary. A level of sensitivity that sincs with my driving purpose and allows for the dilation of her cervix enough so to permit a forced entry that culminates in complete ecstasy, fulfillment. and release. The fuck to end all fucks. Anyway, a guy needs something to shoot for, even if it’s an impossible target. It’s the things we haven’t achieved that keep us going.

Swaffel. You’re right sir. It is highly addictive. I don’t get any bj or hand jobs any more, and sex doesn’t happen very often. When it does happen between me and my wife, its always slow, and I can’t penetrate fully. And still I do PE. Its no longer for her, but for me. She isn’t using my dick, so I might as well do with it what I please.


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I’m definitely going to need popcorn prior to reading all this :chuckle:


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I’m cheering you on swaffel, to find that very special lady friend who’s into that, and no doubt there’s plenty of women who enjoy impregnation fantasy that would be willing to try.

Here’s a diagram of the CDS.

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That is about the best argument there is for length.


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