I've cured my premature ejaculation

King,

you mentioned in “yet another prem ejac thread” that you’d be going back on again. Now that you’ve weaned yourself totally - how are you doing mentally? Patience with kids & wife, happiness etc? Notice anything different compared to when you were on Paxil?

Hey,

I found this very interesting article online that should probable be included in this thread.

http://www.reun iting.info/scie … ex_in_the_brain

The reason being that we should understand what chemical cascade happens after before and after ejaculation.

I’ve been recently toying with the notion of "orgasming without ejaculation" (taoist beliefs), using reverse kegels to stop ejaculation, and multiple daily sessions of edging without ejaculation.

I think we need to realize that our preconceived notions of sex dictate that in order for sex to be "good" and "complete", that us males "need" to ejaculate. After experiencing my first orgasm without ejaculation, I have come to know "life outside the box"!

After reading about the diminishing effects on the body after ejaculating, I thought god has played a cruel joke on us males. Then, after emotions had subsided, my reality mindset kicked in. I realized, coupled with the experience of "knowing" an orgasm without ejaculation, that we have be brought up to BELIEVE that the goal for sex is to ejaculate and have never been taught the difference between orgasm and ejaculation.

Just the thought of going to see a prostitute and not getting my rocks off dumbfounds me!! Why would I pay $$$ for sex without reward??

Time to break up the old belief patterns of the mind guys!!

Learn to orgasm without ejaculation!

I’m going to start a new thread on this subject in the sexual health forum and see what transpires.

I hope this helps anyone.

Cheers

This article is like my brain on orgasms. It’s too long for me to read; I just want to get to the punchline.

MGUS, while coming off the paxil I really noticed my patience levels evaporating. Now that I’ve been off for a week, I’ve either gotten used to it or it’s not so bad. I had a few arguments with the wife while coming off, but things are fine now.

I have noticed that my drive to fix things around the house has improved since weaning off. While on Paxil I was much more ‘laid back’ about everything. Thinking ”ahhh, that’s fine, I’ll fix it tomorrow” then tomorrow never came. Now I’m back to, if it needs doing, I may as well do it right now, kind of thing.

Did you notice that kind of difference in your own Paxil on/off experience?

My guess is that if you are at a higher level of well being, when on Paxil, you don’t need the little boosts of satisfaction that you get from making small acheivements. (such as fixing things around the house)

What do you think?

gottaB8, check out this thread

I’ve been on 12.5 gr of paxil for about 2 months and I have not had any benefits as far as prem ejac.

I really didn’t want to go up in the dose with it, but do you think it would help?

FYI -

I’ve discontinued daily dosing as of last Sunday (10/22), the weight gain and fatigue were getting to me.

This past weekend, I tried on-demand dosing. Took 30 mgs 5 hrs prior to game time, having not done daily dosing for the week prior. Depressingly, my time to orgasm was back to my pre-paxil time.

Talked with my pharmacist about weight gain and Paroxetine (Paxil), and he said it does cause it with many, if not most people, and it’s not dosage related (I had asked if I backed down the dosage would it stop -No). His advice, if it’s causing wgt gain, then as long as your taking it, you will gain wgt. With some people, it causes wgt loss, so it’s unpredictable.

So now I’m not sure what to do. I really like the sex while doing paroxetine, it’s unreal, like becoming a sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex. But the fatigue, loss of concentration, the added inch or two on the waist, and general loss of drive to do anything kind of nix it.

My last week on paroxetine was at 5 mg a day. Maybe I could go lower and dose pre-game, but from what I’ve read even that low a dose may not help with the wgt.

Any insights appreciated.

More on wgt gain for those interested:

I’ve read with most people they don’t gain the first couple of months, and then all of a sudden the pounds start to pile on. While that hasnt exactly happened with me, I have gained over an inch on my waist despite my best efforts to stop it. One account I read a woman stated at one point she was eating nothing but salads and SlimFast and still gaining wgt. Paxil is referred to sometimes as "Pack-it-on Paxil".

This article states "weight gain is a reported side effect of nearly all antidepressant medications currently available." and "long-term use of paroxetine (Paxil) — an SSRI that is more likely to cause weight gain than are other SSRIs."

Also, this article states "Paxil appears to have the most significant impact on weight gain of all of the SSRIs." and also "Many people are not aware that weight gain is one of the most common side effects associated with many antidepressants prescribed today."

I’ve read on a couple forums many accounts of weight gain which steadily increases even with good diet and exercise, and we’re talking over 20lbs. Here’s one such forum.

Other things noticed when daily dosing that King_G also noted:

Fatigue: Man, I could lay down and fall asleep within 5 mins, anywhere, anytime.

Working-out/Exercise: I really had to push my ass to workout hard. While doing the daily dosing, I never worked out as hard and long as I did pre-Paxil. Just didnt have the drive.

Concentration: or lack of - is a bit hard to get my brain to bite down and stay on station with work. Started drinking more coffee, seems to help.

One thing I recently read was : SSRI’s do not, in and of themselves, promote the gain of fat mass. They instead induce either the retention of water or the retention of "wet mass" in the lean tissue.

Some reading about wgt gain and SSRIs
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DarkTrick How long where you taking the meds. Because it took me a while to get use to the meds but I don’t have it anymore. It took about 3 weeks.

Mam KG I know what you are saying. I am more agitated and I want to kill my wife at times. I haven’t had sex in a while so I can’t tell you how it’s worked for me in the bed.

I think I’ve come to the conclusion that - being uncut - my whole head region and the frenulum region including the foreskin running under the penis is extremely sensitive. If I can desensitize this area a little bit by doing things that might get it used to contact. Wearing clothes with my foreskin pulled back, rubbing my head and frenulum with my palm, etc.
Rubbing the head and frenulum area proves just how sensitive it is. When I’ve worked myself upto the point of no return while ballooning or edging the slightest sensation in this area can push me over the edge, causing me to clench my pc like when ejaculating, then come the ejaculation contractions and its all over till I’m horney enough to go again…

Its even worse when I’m with my g/f as the slightest movement gets me at that point. Although I’ve learnt to not push myself THAT far, getting to the stage BEFORE the point of no return instead, I would be able to last much longer if I didnt have an instinctual clench every time my head was stimulated like that while very aroused. Making me able to pump faster for longer as she likes.

So I’m going to try and desensitize the area and will report back with results.
I’m also going to couple this with a kegel routine of 3x20 3sec clenches a day.

King,

When I went off Paxil I mostly noticed the physical things - nausea, bad balance, out of breath and so on. Mentally I was more concerned about becoming depressed again - I was really scared of that. This was a few years ago so I don’t quite remember every detail. Besides, I went through a series of changes in my personal and work life, mostly positve, and I think they messed with the “benchmark”. But I definitely know that a few months later, after the changes had settled, I noticed that I was much more irritable and had little or no patience.

As I recall, it was more an issue of having energy and being able to direct it (to good and bad things alike) while I was on Paxil, and when I went off I felt like I had the energy but couldn’t direct it effectively and so it kind of frizzled inside of me, making me restless without means of doing something useful with the energy. But then my mind is always spinning off in different directions, so maybe the “laid back” part just allowed me to get down to actually get the thing done?

I did gain weight (5-10 lbs) during my time on Paxil, but my work situation (traveling, restaurants, drinks) during that time explains the weight thing, I think.

Jonathan Haidt mentions something to the effect of “having no worries, little things not being a problem anymore” in the book “The Happiness Hypothesis” (he tried Paxil). He eventually got off Paxil since he had problems with recalling names - being a teacher and researcher that was not an acceptable side-effect. But he lists SSRIs, meditation and cognitive therapy as three proven ways to to increase your set-point for happiness (your benchmark level).

I am planning to go back on Paxil within short to see how it affects my happiness levels. I am not happy with being semi-unhappy, so to speak.

UPDATE: Since weaning off Zoloft and not taking it. I am sad to report that the feelings I had before are gone. I was able to go at least fifteen minute without feeling like I was ready to cum. But now I can’t go 10 without exploding. I liked it better when I could come when I wanted to not when I have to. (I hope I didn’t lose you there) I guess I’ll be going back to the doctor and quick cause at this time I am a little more agitated but not much because I am already a level headed person.

By the way I probably should mention that me and the wifey ain’t been getting along lately so maybe that has something to do with me not lasting long. I will admit that if you are with some one who is on the same page with you, it does tend to make the sex more enjoyable.

I have been on SSRI before but am now off it. Weight gain, loss of sexual sensation, etc… all these side effects were horrible. I still take St. John’s Wort and it works like a charm. No side effects at all.

Jafar_t,

how much do you take and when do you take it?

Thanks,
mcn