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How I cured my SEVERE premature ejaculation

Originally Posted by alex553
Just a note to anybody reading this - I’m assuming most of you edge on your back or sitting down. Once you can reach 30 minutes doing this, you should edge in different positions that better mimic sex. Such positions should include thrusting while standing up, thrusting on your knees (doggy style), and missionary (this is hard because you have to balance your self on one hand). This is crucial for me because I have weak/defective pelvic floor muscles, so any movement and thrusting makes me involuntarily contract my BC muscles. I can last forever having sex or edging while sitting and lying down, but if I’m on top or thrusting, I could last as little as 2 minutes. I think I already mentioned this, just making sure.

This man knows what he is talking about :)


Stats: NBPEL: 7.5" x 5" EG, BPEL: 7.75" (thin that fat pad boys!) x 5" EG

Goals: 8"x5.5-6"

Originally Posted by alex553
I definitely would not go that route, don’t even try to focus too much on time or your PONR. Since you’re only lasting for 3 minutes you kinda have to look at time, so set up a stopper instead that will go off in 3 minutes so you don’t have to stare at the clock.

Try this- keep a glass of water next to you next time you’re edging. Sometime between the middle and the end, CHUG a bunch of the water. I think you’re just so used to ejaculating quickly and that is what your brain is used to, so it might help remove yourself from that situation. Also from time to time just imagine something really weird in your room, like a cat with 6 legs or 30 spiders. It sounds silly but it helps- I used to have the same problem as you and I would be in this mindset that my whole life is based on whether I last long or not, so doing these things would kinda take me out of this thinking and realize that I am still in the real world. I never do this anymore, I just used it to get over a hump.

What an awesome idea…
I never did anything quite like that, but I remember just standing up and walking around when I was first getting started and had pretty much no control.
Yo da man alex.


Stats: NBPEL: 7.5" x 5" EG, BPEL: 7.75" (thin that fat pad boys!) x 5" EG

Goals: 8"x5.5-6"

Ok very interesting answers guru as always ;)

Great all you tell us about your sex life which has been AMAZING lately! Very happy you make a so wonderful experience because you deserve it.

Sorry, I just come back to my first question, maybe I just didn’t understand you clearly for this point. I know what is the PONR, but yes I’m also a very severe fast shooter. Even if I tried to fight against it since near to 10 years now, but never enough regulary I suppose.

So you still recommend to stop before the PONR (which is almost the higher level of our excitation) rather than making our pauses sooner, just when our trigger begins to feel sensible and announces that it will soon increase to the PONR. I thought that shut up a trigger point could be more effective if we would mark a pause each time it begins to be sensible and not especially by letting it become sensible, than more sensible, than so much more sensible, then very very sensible, then at the PONR when it is at this point of course a case of emergency where we do must stop.

I thought it would be interesting to make our pauses before cause through our premature ejaculation problem there is the problem of the way we deal with our several levels of excitation. You maybe know the theory, from 1 to 10, maybe we’re hard at 5, then the excitation and the feeling of something more and more sensitive gets closer at 6, then 7, 8, 9 and 9,5 would be our PONR. 10 would be our unvoluntarily PC contractions which propel our sperm. Don’t you think our purpose would be to become able in our masturbations then sexual intercourses to last longer at a level at 5 for exemple for 5 minutes, than at 6 for 5 or 10 minutes, than 7…
Concerning my own experience and the one of many fast shooters, our tragedy also seemes to increase too fast our levels, even like if the 6, 7, 8 would not exist but only 5 to 9. It already happened to me to be at 9 without being hard. At these moments, you feel so bad dude!

I would like to know please what do you think about this, according your own experience because its of course the pattern I would like to follow. But it’s true that we’re all different. Thank you guru and congrats again for the greatest personal accomplishment of your life! I’m sure it is, and I hope it will be for all of us ;)


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length


Last edited by Petitchef : 11-04-2011 at .

Hey Petitchef!

I see what you mean now. The thing is our goal is to get as close to the PONR as possible before we stop. We do not want to stop right when our trigger starts to become sensitive. BUT…

For people like you and me (when I was first starting) the difference between the PONR and the time we first start to feel our trigger point is so small that its basically the same thing at first. It will take some practice to get to the point where they are noticeably different.

For example, when I first started edging I would feel the urge to cum almost immediately no matter what. Then I progressed to where I would feel my trigger point become sensitive and then almost immediately the PONR. After more practice I would feel my trigger point become sensitive and more time would pass before the PONR. Eventually my trigger point shut off and I gained WAY more control over my PONR.

If this doesnt answer your question just right back and we will figure it out. Dont give up. Just keep asking away and practicing until this thing is sorted out. Best of luck!


Stats: NBPEL: 7.5" x 5" EG, BPEL: 7.75" (thin that fat pad boys!) x 5" EG

Goals: 8"x5.5-6"

Thank you guru.

I don’t clearly understand you when you say “Eventually my trigger point shut off and I gained WAY more control over my PONR”

I begin to feel my trigger point sensitive before my PONR (I don’t know but let’s say from 10 to 60 secondes before my PONR) since I tried it since many years as I said, but I’m afraid that stopping just before the PONR and not just when it begins to feels sensible would not delay my levels of excitation.

Anyway, this is what I did and do for the most of the time, stopping not to early but very late, very close to the PONR. But then what to do? I wait from 30 secondes to two minutes but after 15 seconds I’m already not hard anymore but know that my frenulum is still too much sensible.
When I think it’s not sensitive anymore I begin again my masturbation but I’m not very hard most of the time, then what it often happens is that when I fianlly begin to become hard, the PONR seemes to be already there. Like if there were not anymore the levels 6,7,8, but a 4/5 wich becomes suddenly a 9, but a 9 not interesting, just the frenulum which becomes so fast too sensitive.


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Yes another thing, I’m in a edging session right now. When I’m very close to the PONR, and it’s almost like that, even without any contraction I’ve got sperme which enters in the canal of my penis and which even go out. Not precum I promise, sperm! If I am at 8/9 forom the PONR which is 9,5 I’ve got it which enter in my penis without my PC had to make kegels or revers kegels. It’s like maybe like if you have to pee and that you don’t have to pee, push or anything else, because the sperm is pushed alone. Like if I’d have to much of it in my body and that there was to much pressure to retain it. Just imagine a hose with water in it in a part of it… like if somebody was blowing from a part and that the liquid has nothing to do else to go to the other part.


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Originally Posted by guru5311

Hey Vik

I would recommend masturbating with the grip that makes you cum quickly, but not allowing yourself to ejaculate. ANY grip made me ejaculate quickly when I first started so you should be ok with enough practice.

First of all - thank you for the response. It’s good to have you “back”. :P

And now on the topic:

I’m going to do that for sure, but what do you think the theory behind those reactions is?

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Did I just fuck up during my teenager years and program my brain that way or is it something else?

I don’t know if knowing (no pun intended) that will help me deal with my problem, but either way - I’ll be doing what you and alex said. :)


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Last edited by viksenpai : 11-04-2011 at .

Originally Posted by alex553
Just a note to anybody reading this - I’m assuming most of you edge on your back or sitting down. Once you can reach 30 minutes doing this, you should edge in different positions that better mimic sex. Such positions should include thrusting while standing up, thrusting on your knees (doggy style), and missionary (this is hard because you have to balance your self on one hand). This is crucial for me because I have weak/defective pelvic floor muscles, so any movement and thrusting makes me involuntarily contract my BC muscles. I can last forever having sex or edging while sitting and lying down, but if I’m on top or thrusting, I could last as little as 2 minutes. I think I already mentioned this, just making sure.

Hi alex, when you say once we can reach 30 minutes do you mean 30 minutes without getting close to the PONR or with several stops?


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Hey guru, just read your post and found it very interesting.

I will definitely be trying out some of your techniques

Hey guys hope everybody is doing well and making improvements. Happy holidays!


Stats: NBPEL: 7.5" x 5" EG, BPEL: 7.75" (thin that fat pad boys!) x 5" EG

Goals: 8"x5.5-6"

Hey the return of our hero ;) Happy holidays guru!


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Originally Posted by Petitchef
Yes another thing, I’m in a edging session right now. When I’m very close to the PONR, and it’s almost like that, even without any contraction I’ve got sperme which enters in the canal of my penis and which even go out. Not precum I promise, sperm! If I am at 8/9 from the PONR which is 9,5 I’ve got it which enters in my penis without my PC had to make kegels or revers kegels. It’s like maybe like if you have to pee and that you don’t have to pee, push or anything else, because the sperm is pushed alone. Like if I’d have to much of it in my body and that there was to much pressure to retain it. Just imagine a hose with water in it in a part of it… like if somebody was blowing from a part and that the liquid has nothing to do else to go to the other part.

Ok, what I said was not very clear but I maybe understand now more precisely what happens and it would be great if I could have your advice or point of view about it guru or other people.
I made some researches even it’s not sure I’ve understood it in the right way. Also you can refer to this picture to know about the parts I’m talking about : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Male_anatomy.png

Before the PONR I think the sensation I feel is this process is that : my prostate gland (tell me if I’m wrong) creating a kind of precum, maybe immediatly melted with the liquid created by the seminal vesicles. Maybe this is “the feeling” of this thing that I feel very sensitive inside and that happens before the PONR, I mean when I’m still able to stop my masturbation and avoid the unvoluntary contractions of the PC which are very closed. At this point, if I continue my masturbation I feel my frenulum (my trigger point) ignited in an uncontrollable way because I can’t avoid this sensation anymore and it leads to ejaculation even if I stop to touch it. But even if I stop, I feel and think I notice the sperm has been already created and the proof is that the sensation and the sperm, both, stay inside me in the area of the prostate and the seminal vesicles and begins already to accumulates itself in the ejaculatoy duct/urethra.

So, I don’t know what each one of you think of this according to your own feeling, but what happens unfortunately too much often for me is that even if I stop, the sperme has already been created even if I didn’t reach to the PC contractions of the PONR. So I stop touching myself and I wait to not feel anymore the sensation in the area of my prostate gland. But what happens nexte is very difficult because even if when loose my erection I feel it still sensitive in a way.

In other words, when I start again my masturbation :
1- The less annoying : the sperm being already in the ejaculatory duct/urethra, the fact that I masturbate with even a minimum of excitation makes the testicles , the prostate and seminal vesicles produce more sperm which adds itself to the one which were already in the ejaculatory duct. And this is why sometimes there is like a pressure which conducts it to the exit of the urethral opening. The sperm goes outside and runs down the penis but this wasn’t a ejaculation cause the PONR has not been reached yet.
2- The most annoying : as I said, when I stop my masturbation for several seconds or more than one minute, I mean even after a break with no more erection, I still feel very often a sensation which tells me that, like the prostate gland/seminal vesicle has already been sensitive, it has to and will become very and too much sentive very soon. So I even can get very close to the PONR even if I’m not in a real erection. So maybe you’ll tell me to still wait before starting again my pasturbation… but sometimes it feels like I should wait maybe more than 5 minutes.

What do you think of that dudes, according to your own experiences?


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length


Last edited by Petitchef : 11-24-2011 at .

I must add I noticed a few time ago that even without any kind of masturbation and erection, at any moment of the day if I touch the frenulum of my penis in its flacid and not excited state I fell immediatly the small sensation in the prostate gland or seminal vesicles area. Of course not so much as if I was excited or hard but there is clearly a feeling. And even after, without touching it anymore, I still feel the sensation I tell you about for several seconds or minutes since I pay attention.


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Sorry for telling you so much thing even if I didn’t get any answer from now but I think it can help all of us with this problem if maybe we could understand what happens inside us. More than two months that I edge but more and more often it becomes more and more complicated as I told you. It begins to become too much sensitive each time before and after I make the break. So I tried to make a big break today after the first break but noticed even after having wait for 20 minutes and without being in a real erection : I started again masturbate myself and I have already to stop in a very short time. Maybe less dans 30 seconds. I begin to be very worry about it.

Concerning my last posts we can have more precision of what happens really in the ejaculation process in this thread as you may know : Ejaculation Process

And here’s what it is written and which is certainly more true than what I said. Maybe the sensitivity is produced by very light contractions of the vas deferent that I can’t really feel like “contractions or spasms” but which produce this sensitivity I don’t know exatly were, maybe the prostat gland, or seminal vesicles or in the vas deferent it self, or already in the very deep part of the ejaculatoy duct/urethra. So I still don’t know about this sensitivity and how shut it but the inside process is explained here :

Originally Posted by avocet8
Mature sperm stored in the epididymis on each testicle move out into the vas deferens and around, then down to the urethral bulb which holds them and enlarges as they accumulate. This is what Masters and Johnson refer to apparently as “emission” in this context. As sperm do accumulate, you feel the beginning sensation that you are going to cum. Two sphincters close: at your bladder neck to prevent retrograde ejaculation into the bladder; another sphincter closes just below the prostate, trapping sperm within the urethral bulb. [Some sperm may have been propelled farther forward from the bulb and up through the urethra by the fluid from the Cowper’s glands which is already moving, to mix with that. (For this reason, women can become pregnant via vaginal contact with pre-cum alone.)]

As the urethral bulb fills, all accessory gland functions very rapidly shift into high gear for the expulsion stage or orgasm. The vas deferens begin to contract, forcing even more sperm toward the urethral bulb. The prostate begins to contract expelling some of its own fluid, the seminal vesicles contract. A substantial amount of seminal vesicle fluid (remember that this comprises most of your ejaculate volume) joins with the prostate fluid and arrives at the urethral bulb to converge with the hundreds of millions of sperm already collected there. Fluid “clumping” is immediate. The bulb contracts, as does smooth muscle along the shaft of the penis, pressing fluids rapidly outward. Since this is all happening at the rate of about 35 miles per hour within an area smaller than your spread fingers, you are now powerless to do anything but… shoot.


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Originally Posted by guru5311
Hey Alex, I totally know the position you are in. I actually think the involuntary spasms are a result of thrusting. Like I described in the original post I always noticed that I would clench my but a lot and that I believed it stimulates the prostate. I think that you naturally sort of squeeze your butt when you are thrusting which does the same thing. The natural fix to this is to either stop clenching your butt during sex (I don’t know if this is physically possible) or to cut off the involuntary PC spasm that the clinch causes. Anyway I would recommend either using your finger or an object of roughly the same size and just sort of inspect your butt. I know it sounds weird and you will probably feel weird doing it, but it certainly helped me. Try to think about relaxing when you are doing it. Try massaging the prostate or any area that causes involuntary spasms. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Of course I did already read the first page of this thread (here the post #14) so I already know that I must not clench my but or do some kegels. But the more I try to feel relaxed in this area of the prostate I don’t succeed in getting rid of this soft and hot sensation which then will reach the orgasme if I start again my masturbation. So, to sum up, my problem now and that I already explained in my recent posts is that when I masturbate myself, now at the first break that I have to take the prostate will continues to feel sensitive even after a long time with no erection. And by learning to listen to my body and my sensation I sometimes feel it at any moment of the day!

First, ok I’ll try to put my finger in the ass to look and discover about it but it seems difficult.
Secondly, maybe I souldn’t not think so much about it and only thing about get rid of the trigger of the foreheade/frenulum area what do you think? But the problem is that it’s almost like now my trigger would became my prostate before my frenulum. Which is maybe a good sign, except that it seemes this trigger would be always sensitive. But maybe if I’ll succeed one day in shutting down the frenulum trigger the first sensation which comes from the prostate will leads me to an other kind of orgasm or something unbelievable which helps me to develop the skill to have dry orgasm and the possibility to become one day multi-orgasmic. I don’t know what could you think about these points.


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

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