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Originally Posted by mravg
Cheeva talked about it in his first post, under the subheadings of “internal lock” and “great seal”.

I guess i dont understand this part, does this mean that we MUST apply internal lock and great seal on our spreading sessions? Because the exercise here is spreading right? it basically says that when you reach PONR you must stop, and even take a nap if you are too relaxed.

thinktank, ah, that explains it. No need to apologize though.

A non-ejaculatory orgasm per se doesn’t make me horny per se. It is more of a feeling that accumulates over time. In either case I’m not feeling hornier any faster than if I would have abstained from this or even all things sexual. Using your energy for anything, be it by exercising or even by *drumroll* ejaculating ;) , will let this feeling of horniness subside.

Ah, one thing that just came to mind: When I used to go at it while I still had the experience of what Werner calls “involuntary muscle contraction by stimulating the ‘trigger zones’” (for me personally, this means below the head at the fulcrum (??)).. when I still had that muscle contracting response and so had the muscle contract lots of times during solo or pair sessions I felt the need to ‘release’ much more often than nowadays. :)

I once played around with the idea of simply relaxing that group of muscles to the point where they won’t work unless I took that feeling of deep relaxation away.. it worked very well in terms of prolonging any thing sexual, but erection quality suffered a little and the whole thing didn’t feel quite as good as it normally does. This doesn’t mean it has to be this way for everyone, but for me personally this just wasn’t my two euro-cents and so I stopped doing that :)

And about Werner:
I had some trouble understanding all the new terminology and concepts in the beginning and so I looked up other people’s ideas on how to “achieve” multiple orgasms, sexual tantra and the like. What I found I thought to be anything from laughable or plainly hilarious to very common-sensical and practical.
I played with the concepts and exercises and found which of them and which parts of them worked for me and simply kept experimenting. I still do that to-date ;)

OneGg:
The way I see it the “great seal” is kind of a last resort, not something you do all the time or regularly (besides the muscle tension and concentration alone that is needed to perform it are.. quite taxing if you _try_ to keep them up indefinitely).

Ys

Originally Posted by ys

OneGg:

The way I see it the “great seal” is kind of a last resort, not something you do all the time or regularly (besides the muscle tension and concentration alone that is needed to perform it are.. quite taxing if you _try_ to keep them up indefinitely).

Ys

Right, but you need to practice it if you want it to work for you when you need it.


Horny Bastard

Damn! I was working it out well, and I thought I stopped my ejaculation, but I could feel it arising. I did not have an orgasm, but cum drizzled out without any propulsion. I guess I am getting better. I have an airy feeling right now in my body, but not the exhaustion from cumming.


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Originally Posted by mravg
…I would like to know from Cheeva or you other guru’s, if you think that there is benefit from reducing the frequency of ejaculation?

I’m certainly no ‘guru’! I’m just a student/practitioner who got an early start.

In answer to your question—yes, I do think there are benefits. Among them, vitally, vigor, and a sense of self-contained well-being. But only if you are moving the energy around and not just letting it stagnate in your genital area. I can’t emphasize this enough.

Subscribed forever. I have had premature issues for most of my life. The only time I didn’t was dating a girl and we had sex at least daily for months. I think this involuntarily strengthened my PC muscles. This was before I knew about kegels. I now do kegels every day whether I’m in a bar or standing at work. I will start focusing on the super kegels, which I think can finally feel the difference between push and pull. It was hard at first, but I’m noticing the subtle differences. I’ve added edging to my newbie routine, and orgasm mastery is near the top of my list of things to do. Thanks so much!


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Personal update:

Started seeing a girl about 6 weeks ago. First time we got down to it, she gave me head and I blew in seconds, but I made sure I returned the favour and made her cum good.

Since then I’ve received a whole lot of blow jobs from my young lady. She’s great at it, and what’s more likes to practice, and doesn’t mind receiving instruction in how to do it even better. The upshot of this is that I haven’t masturbated in over five weeks, apart from a couple of times when I finished myself off over her, after a good deal of sucking and fucking.

Consequently I’m lasting as long as I wish now, when I receive head from her. In fact I have to really concentrate hard, and kegel really hard, and maybe have her tickle my arsehole in order to cum from a blow job. Although if we haven’t got it on for a couple of days (which is rare at the moment ), I’m liable to finish earlier. What I’m doing while I receive these great blow jobs is observe the involuntary contractions of the PC muscle, and concentrate on keep it relaxed. I also watch my breathing. Sometimes just for the hell of it I’ll wait until I’m getting close to the PONR, and just relax my groin area and watch the closeness to orgasm disappear.

Fucking is a slightly different kettle of fish. At first I was using Durex ‘Performer’ condoms, that would help me last longer. Now when I use them I just can’t cum. Or I’ll lose my erection after about 10 minutes or so of fucking. It seems I can also last indefinitely with a thinner condom like a featherlite, though some discipline of stoping or slowing the stroke is still needed.

Last night, after having received an incredible blow job a few hours earlier, we were fucking. The only condom I had available was a ‘Performer’. I just couldn’t cum. Eventually I took the condom off, and after some kissing we (ill-advisedly of course, because we haven’t been tested yet) started to go at it.

Result? I went from moderate arousal to the point of no return very quickly pulled out and came on her belly.

I’m clearly going to have to start practicing only with the thinner condoms. And the sooner we get tested and can go bare-back, the better. Because it’s a whole new level of sensation. Interesting that I find it so much more intense than a blow job. I guess the thrusting adds to the intensity, as well as the greater level of friction and heat.

Twat: I’m going to check out the Histamine thing. Maybe even just start taking an aspirin or two a day, and see if that helps. It’s supposed to be good for you anyway.


Cheers,

Zig

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Interesting that I find it so much more intense than a blow job. I guess the thrusting adds to the intensity, as well as the greater level of friction and heat.


It could also be that the physical activity of fucking makes it harder to fully relax your groin muscles as you are able to do when lying back enjoying a blow job.

It’s always good to read your updates Zigga. It sounds like you found a good girl! Good luck and keep us posted.


Horny Bastard

Originally Posted by cheeva
In answer to your question—yes, I do think there are benefits (to reducing the frequency of ejaculation). Among them, vitally, vigor, and a sense of self-contained well-being. But only if you are moving the energy around and not just letting it stagnate in your genital area. I can’t emphasize this enough.


I agree 100%. Good sex like that will make you very happy. This stuff works on men just like chocolate works on women. I remember the very first time that I tried this technique for an hour or so, I wanted to roar, scream, and jump out of the window. I was all happy, fully relaxed, and I felt like I could fly if I try.

I used to be able to move that energy all by myself, even without a girl, ;) and be all happy and content with myself. But in recent years somehow I find it harder to do it alone, or with a wrong partner. Perhaps I just do not generate enough of that energy when I am not having sex with someone that I really like. I think I need to work on myself and my own general health more, then the rest will fall back into line. Need to fall in love with myself a little more, LOL! If I do not love me, nobody will. :-)

Yes I love the energy! The escalating climax. No one sudden quick upsurge in release. But many upsurges and many releases (dry orgasms).


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Hey, Cheeva and the other experts. I have been reading your stuff on super kegels and I was wondering how to integrate them into my kegel routine, I’m not doing penis enlargement. Any special considerations for overtraining in kegel vs super kegels?
I have been kegeling for two months now.

Oh, and great thread man, so wonderful and very helpful. Thank you!

Great stuff

Originally Posted by mancookies
Hey, Cheeva and the other experts. I have been reading your stuff on super kegels and I was wondering how to integrate them into my kegel routine, I’m not doing penis enlargement. Any special considerations for overtraining in kegel vs super kegels?
I have been kegeling for two months now.

Oh, and great thread man, so wonderful and very helpful. Thank you!

No special considerations really. You can easily incorporate flaccid super kegels into your routine. Maybe try doing one super kegel for every ten regular kegals: just hold and continue to strengthen the contraction until you’re tightly clenching all of the muscles of the pelvic floor, including the anus. Take long, slow, deep breaths as you do it, and visualize a seal at the base of you penis—like an internal clamp—that pushes further and further back into your inner penis. You should become aware of your prostate as you do this, since both of anal sphincters will be tightly contracted and the pelvic floor will be pulled up. Hold for at least ten deep breaths, then release and relax completely before continuing with regular kegals.

In my experience, once your BC muscle is conditioned (which it should be after two months) overtraining is not an issue.

Originally Posted by cheeva
No special considerations really. You can easily incorporate flaccid super kegels into your routine. Maybe try doing one super kegel for every ten regular kegals: just hold and continue to strengthen the contraction until you’re tightly clenching all of the muscles of the pelvic floor, including the anus. Take long, slow, deep breaths as you do it, and visualize a seal at the base of you penis—like an internal clamp—that pushes further and further back into your inner penis. You should become aware of your prostate as you do this, since both of anal sphincters will be tightly contracted and the pelvic floor will be pulled up. Hold for at least ten deep breaths, then release and relax completely before continuing with regular kegals.

In my experience, once your BC muscle is conditioned (which it should be after two months) overtraining is not an issue.


Thank you cheeva!

I have a couple of more things that are not clear to me yet. I can’t seem to quite get the grasp of how should I move the energy from my genitals into my body, for me it seems like nothing is happening. Would you please go more in detail about it? Or maybe do I just need more experience?

And one more thing? Can the internal lock be applied during intercourse and then keep going? Like, applying it to gain more time and delay ejaculation to please the lady? Would it induce a refractory period?

Thanks in advance!

Thanks cheeva, read it first time today, and it’s good.
I don’t think I understand The Super Pulling Kegel. I tried it couple of times but it seems to me that I can only do 1 type of kegel.. Which is push kegel (forces blood into my penis). Can you explain in any other words?

Thanks

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