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Originally Posted by monet
Tugger, you have almost a mission against circumcision so whatever I say will not convince you. You have a business targeting “restoration” which I think is ridiculous, but hey, if that’s what sells then all power to you.

I’ve laid out what I experienced as a guy who had the procedure done recently. I made my arguments pretty clear. You wait till you circumcise as an adult and you will definitely lose the majority of the sensitivity you’re used to. That’s why doing at birth is better, because it heals and the top 1/4th of the shaft are sensitive nerves.
Monet, your comments to TLCTugger come close to an ad hominem attack. Rather than refute his points, you attempt to ridicule his point of view and undercut the validity of his position as based in financial motives. It would be better for you to address the points TLCTugger has raised instead.

(Oh, and by the way, has it occurred to you that TLCTugger may have learned about the negative impacts of circumcision and got into the business as a result of that, rather than jumping on restoration as a way of making huge amounts of money and then putting forth information in support of his business point of view?)

Thanks for sharing your experience with adult circumcision, but since you were circumcised as an adult, you cannot report from personal experience that circumcision at birth is better. Both are removing skin and nerves.

In fact, the very point you put forth - that the “top 1/4th of the shaft are sensitive nerves” - works against your preference for infant circumcision. Not all tissues in the penis are equally innervated. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin for more detail on this.

In an adult, with a fully developed penis, it is easier to know just what tissues are being removed. In an infant, with a penis which is much smaller, removing tissues is at least in part a ‘best guess’ as to how the penis is going to develop in the future. That extra millimeter of tissue removed then would grow in the future to be several times that in the adult. An error of one millimeter, thus, is magnified several fold compared to a millimeter, more or less, removed in an adult circumcision.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by monet
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If he’s cut at birth, his shaft heals and becomes sensitive so that, in essence, IS his “foreskin”—more area of arousal than if he has to do it later.
Source?

As noted in the previous post, not all penis tissue is the same. The morphology of shaft skin is not the same as foreskin tissue.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

I’ve already addressed the sensitivity issue. I’ve said a uncircumcised penis is more sensitive since the head is covered and kept sensitive until arousal where the foreskin gets rolled back.

I’ve said the friction is the huge turn off, among others like appearance, hygiene (smell, sweat, etc—I shower 2-3 times a day and during summer humid days, it’s very uncomfortable), girls preference (subjective), etc. I’ve experienced both and definitely prefer the cut benefits.

Anyway, this debate could go on and on as I’ve already said at the beginning.

You have a preference, which is fine, and you are happy with your circumcision, which is good. I’m even happier that you had the chance to make that decision for yourself, as an adult making an informed decision.

However, you have not addressed how shaft skin becomes more sensitive if one is circumcised as an infant.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

I think you need to read through my posts. I’ve already mentioned the reason why it would be better to circumcised the boy at infancy rather than waiting for him to grow into adulthood and giving him the option. By that time his foreskin is developed which puts him at a disadvantage.

I got circumcized as an adult. I am very happy with my decision. Anyone who has not done this as an adult is just talking theories but not reality.

a) Girls like it better (in America)
b) Makes PE easier
c) I am more confident in my penis
d) Sex still feels great - and my orgasm has not been reduced.
e) Cleaner.

There may have been some sensitivity loss but I can’t be sure. Either way, I cum in the end and I enjoy all of it. If I had way more sensitivity I am not sure how I could last more than a few minutes.


Start: 6.6bp x 4.875eg, 2006: 7.2bp x 5.00eg (5.5 base), 2009: 7.6bp x 5.25eg (6.0 base)

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I think I have read through all your posts in this thread, monet, and you have put forth your personal opinion, which is fine, but when you have gone beyond your anecdotal experience, you have not backed up your theories and suppositions with sources and facts.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by Esc
I got circumcized as an adult. I am very happy with my decision. Anyone who has not done this as an adult is just talking theories but not reality.

a) Girls like it better (in America)
b) Makes PE easier
c) I am more confident in my penis
d) Sex still feels great - and my orgasm has not been reduced.
e) Cleaner.

There may have been some sensitivity loss but I can’t be sure. Either way, I cum in the end and I enjoy all of it. If I had way more sensitivity I am not sure how I could last more than a few minutes.
Those are pretty much all subjective, Esc.

a) Do you conduct your whole life based on popularity polls, right down to body modifications?

b) Arguable. There are threads from time to time about what to do about your foreskin during various forms of PE. Then again, there are complications of PE for the circumcised, as well - too-tight shaft skin, ‘turkey neck”.

c) Good for you, but hardly Universal Truth.

d) Again, good for you, and I hope that it stays that way. You have no idea what your sensitivity is now, compared to what it might be if you had been circumcised at birth.

e) Really, how difficult is it to wash your dick?

And anyone who was circumcised as an adult is only talking theories, not reality, when it comes to their personal experience of infant circumcision.

Oh, and the types and nature of tissue removed during circumcision is a matter of reality, not theories.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Sure, may be mostly subjective but sex hasn’t gotten appreciably worse. That’s the only main point I’d like to make. Otherwise, may everyone make their own decision. It doesn’t really matter to me if another dude’s cock has foreskin on it or not. I just think that even subjective personal experiences are important compared to people who are generally coming from a more political stance on the subject of circumcision.


Start: 6.6bp x 4.875eg, 2006: 7.2bp x 5.00eg (5.5 base), 2009: 7.6bp x 5.25eg (6.0 base)

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Hey guys,

Nice discussion here and I would like to add my two cents to it. It’s my point of view so you can disagree completely.
I say NO to circumcison… First of all, as you know foreskin is there for a reason. It’s not just part of a skin covering another part of a skin. It’s covering your penis, for some of us here the most valuable part of our bodies :) , protects it, keeps it lubed (probably the wrong word here)… and seriously guys I would never do such thing to my son and getting him circumised as an infant- I don’t see any logical explanation for it. Being just born and immediately lowering his pleasure from sex - no way… and what for ? Hygiene ? What a nonsense. There’s no hygiene problem being uncut (-yeah well right, if you don’t know that you have to wash yourself daily then yes it can be a problem). There are cases after “aggresive” circumcison of penis hiding inside the body, cause there’s not enough skin to cover it. How do you expect to accomodate extra size after PE if you don’t have enough skin for it?

If you’re an adult - it’s your choice- you feel better with it? That’s cool and I’m happy for you, but an argument “girls like it better cut” is no argument, we’re born with foreskin and it is supposed to be there, otherwise it would fall off or it wouldn’t be there at all. Girls are just used to the view of cut penis in some parts of the world (and uncut in others)

+ Monet- could you explain me in what magical way nerves in infants develop differently after circumcison ? No offence I just don’t get it at all. Is our body really so great and says “oh my god this guy will have less pleasure, let’s put some receptors in other places, so he can still have fun ?” :)

Originally Posted by Esc
Otherwise, may everyone make their own decision.

I think that’s the point. Everybody should make his own choice.
Saying that, let the infants be men and let them decide.

Originally Posted by EuropeUnited
I think that’s the point. Everybody should make his own choice.
Saying that, let the infants be men and let them decide.

Same as religion. No one should be circumcized at birth and no one should be born into a religion. Let ‘em decide on both when they are 16.


Start: 6.6bp x 4.875eg, 2006: 7.2bp x 5.00eg (5.5 base), 2009: 7.6bp x 5.25eg (6.0 base)

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Hey guys, I’ve been through the foreskin restoration bit over the last 6 or 7 years and have gone from a CI-3 (see http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm) or thereabouts and am now a comfortable CI-7 or 8 depending on how flaccid I am (not cold). All I can say is that it’s the best thing I ever did. Above all sex is better for reasons outlined in some posts above, resulting in far stronger and more intense orgasms. I reckon it looks better, too – but maybe it’s just that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Being an older Australian, most of my peers are cut, but not all.

Circumcision, in my humble opinion, should be banned as it is with women, unless done through the free choice of someone old enough to make a wise decision. It is barbaric, especially when done on infants who have no say in what’s happening. The hygiene issue is a load of crap unless you don’t pull the foreskin back regularly when you bathe.

Why was it brought in – ignoring the religious bit, to stop masturbation (by the American Kellogg of Kellogg’s cornflakes fame). It achieves that to some extent because circumcised guys don’t get anywhere near the same pleasure. I know, having been on both sides of the fence.

Sure, some guys who get cut later in life report no change and a few even an improvement. I can’t argue for or against their testimonies. However, it is not my experience AT ALL, nor that of most restored guys with whom I have been in contact.

Those guys thinking of being cut, go to some of the foreskin restoration sites listed above and read the posts on the forums. You’ll see that I am not alone in my opinion.

Originally Posted by 4Foreskin

On several sites they show the pleasure of a man on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest/greatest pleasure. An uncut cut man is a 10, a cut man is a 3, and a restored man is a 7. All this is estimated of course.

:confused: By estimated do you mean made up?

Originally Posted by Scackman
Could the loss of sensation that comes with getting circumcised at a later age help with controlling ejaculation?
Perhaps it could, but yikes! If that is the only reason someone is considering getting snipped I would hope that they explore every other available option first… and second, and third, and…

Originally Posted by iDare
Do you other guys agree that uncircumcised is more pleasurable for women?
I do not. That sounds made up to me.


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