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Originally Posted by meowmeowluvin
As for hcg + clomid, used them in the past on several occasions, bodybuild. I see it as the best thing if your test levels are low.. Give me rock hard erections on through out the day even at end of cycle last for several months.

Well that’s likely your problem man. I think youre blaming the saw palmetto but you’re really in denial that you fucked up your hpta from abusing clomiphene and hcg. Clomiphene has been shown to reduce pituitary sensitivity to gnrh over time. In other words over time your pituitary is responding less and less to gnrh and thus your testes are getting less and less of a signal to produce test naturally. Lack of gnrh has been shown to effectively eliminate libido. If you’ve got decreased gnrh activity it makes sense that you wouldn’t be getting much effect from a pde5 inhibitor, as other have said they only work if you are turned on to begin with, they will not make you horny. Its probably also why arginine isnt helping either anymore. Have you considered seeing an endocrinologist and getting a full panel done instead of asking a dickpulling forum for medical advice? The hpta is DELICATE machinery.

Can you fuck up your HPTA from let’s say one week only of clomid ? Or it has to be a ongoing process ?

Sorry for the hijack the thread.


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

No. Clomiphene is used to restorte HPTA. I suspect the problem dates way back, probably to steroid use and too short pct. Prolonged HCG use can cause the issue too.

Sorry to hijack the thread again . Marinera I did a cycle a steroid 9 months ago and a short pct , my HPTA was ;lh 7.2 range 1.5- 8.6 and testostrone was 548 does that look ok ? I would never touch steroids again this was real bad experience Thank you .


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

How were your steroid cycle and your pct, in details? 548 looks a bit on the low side if it is total testosterone, but if the pct cycle was good you can’t do much about if not waiting.

I did 2 pcts one was good and long but I felt it didn’t work so I did another short one and this was 3 months ago . Did blood work last week and the HPTA seems up and working with the lh being 7.2 so I think there is no point for pct . Just got to let the testosterone catch up with LH ?. Some people tell me it takes a year for hormones to regulate .

That was total testosterone and the range for that was 300-1200 so I was in the middle but I think it’s not my normal . I am scheduled for that varicocle surgery on December 6th cause of pain issue so I’m thinking that could be the cause for my leydig cells not working properly.


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

Ps , I went through 3 doctors and they told me your testosterone is fine cause you have no symptoms libido , motivation or fatigue . My only complain was morning wood even know I get them through out the night but not when I wake up .


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

That could be; or both causes are contributing. The length of pct mainly depends on the length and kind of steroids you took. After a 2-4 weeks from the end of pct hormonlal balance should be back, in theory; fact is for about 1 on 3 guys this doesn’t happen and the balance can require 3 to 9 months or even more to be back. If the pct was based on hcg, this could have delayed the recovery. HCG should be used while on cycle and for 2-4 of weeks after the end of the cycle, before starting the pct, but no more than that. I wouldn’t ever use hcg, to be honest. I wouldn’t use steroids either, if not for HRT when strictly required. Troubles are way more than advantages.

Optimal testosterone levels vary from a guy to another, one can be fine with 300 and another require 800; most of the young guys tend to be not at their best if they are at less than 600, by what I have read around. I suppose your Doc knows better since he knows you.


Last edited by marinera : 11-27-2012 at .

I think you just hit the spot with hcg . I fucked up and didn’t use it while on cycle and after 1 month I felt my testicle was shrunken so like a idiot I did 5000 iu hcg and 2 weeks after I started the second pct . They did come back to size after pct but I think I over did the dose of hcg cause someone told me you need to shock them so they can come back to size but I felt sick those couple of days until the hcg was out my system .

Thank you.


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

No problem. Good luck with the surgery, I had the same done when I was 13yo. Nothing to worry too much anyway.

You did mention that to me on a different thread . The pain is unbearable at times even know its once a week and I’m actually looking forward so I don’t have to deal with the pain .

Thank you for the support.


Current 8 bpel /7.25 nbp 6.25 eg .

Goal , I be happy with 8 NBP so I can relocate her kidney.

Well haven’t done steriods in more than a year.. And this problem started 3 months ago, same time I started saw palmetto.. Now on the subject of clomid and hcg.. HCG is misunderstood by most bodybuilders.. The second time I used hcg.. First weeks my balls got huge, second week they shrunk, started getting soft and third week gyno set in + acne.. This was 250 iu every 2 days. The problem is if you take hcg without a strong anti aromtase, it’s the estrogen, not hcg that will ruin your system!

The third time I used hcg.. I did one shot of 5000iu every week ( yes, I know what you thinking, permanently ruin your HPTA system) Nope, wrong! One big difference used a very strong anti aromatase Letrozole. This time, big balls, no acne, no gyno, just rock hard erections. After that use clomid like for 2 or 3 weeks. I am not the only one who has tried this system, many other guys have and it works. Just more people seem to believe one doctor and his “study” that has no evidence, just a modern myth. I read up on other studies which show it’s high level of estrogen that fuck up your HPTA.

Originally Posted by meowmeowluvin
Gprent, trust tried all that and nothing plus the cramps are no worth it.. The severe back pain for me last at least 5 days. I will see how viagra works. As for hcg + clomid, used them in the past on several occasions, bodybuild. I see it as the best thing if your test levels are low.. Give me rock hard erections on through out the day even at end of cycle last for several months. I would never take testosterone supplements are they fry your balls and shut down your natural production. Funny arginine used work for me but now nothing.. As for the hair issue, my friend gave me a fungal infection, sharing hair brushes.. Only symptoms were very itchy scalp and hair loss ( trust me you can wash you hair a million times and without right prescribed shampoo it won’t go away). Doctor diagnosed it and it has been treat no so had nothing to do with high DHT levels, I think saw palmetto has caused the ED, cause has that side effect, so stopping it.. Just have to cure my nuts from it has done.

As for not having a good reaction to the ADC cialis, I would try another pill. I have the feeling some of the lot is bunk, or less concentrated. I hear you on the back pains, tho. I have not had them in a while, but when I did, it was like ciatica. Like a pinched nerve. very painfull.

Originally Posted by meowmeowluvin
Well haven’t done steriods in more than a year.. And this problem started 3 months ago, same time I started saw palmetto.. Now on the subject of clomid and hcg.. HCG is misunderstood by most bodybuilders.. The second time I used hcg.. First weeks my balls got huge, second week they shrunk, started getting soft and third week gyno set in + acne.. This was 250 iu every 2 days. The problem is if you take hcg without a strong anti aromtase, it’s the estrogen, not hcg that will ruin your system!

The third time I used hcg.. I did one shot of 5000iu every week ( yes, I know what you thinking, permanently ruin your HPTA system) Nope, wrong! One big difference used a very strong anti aromatase Letrozole. This time, big balls, no acne, no gyno, just rock hard erections. After that use clomid like for 2 or 3 weeks. I am not the only one who has tried this system, many other guys have and it works. Just more people seem to believe one doctor and his “study” that has no evidence, just a modern myth. I read up on other studies which show it’s high level of estrogen that fuck up your HPTA.

My bad man, I didn’t know you had a PhD in Bro-Science. Best of luck in your hypogonadism goals in 2012!

I don’t have hypogonadism? There isn’t any need to be rude.. Where did you get that from? I can still get erections just not super hard as 3 months ago. But getting better every day since I stopped saw palmetto. Do some research on saw palmetto and how it reduces testosterone + dht. Hey the high hcg + anti aromatase works for me, if I could find that papers/ studies that support this I would post it. Anyway leaving this thread as it is becoming argumentative.

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