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Originally Posted by Naab
Twat this is interesting as hell, and explains some of my “weird” thoughts, and behaviors. I don’t know how real this theory is, but I plan to research it on my own. Mainly because I would like to have some peace of mind and enjoy life myself.

Until then, thanks for linking that site. I marked yes 17 times on the questionnaire at the end of the article. Which worrys me a little, but also answers some of the questions I’ve had about myself.

Silly rabbit, do the Niacin test. Talking monkeys are electro-chemical bipedal carbon based machines. That is a fact indisputable. So is it so hard, to think of methylization and histamine as perhaps air/fuel mixture on a carburetor, and that certain conditions would be running too rich or too lean? If you are a quick cummer, premature ejaculation is right around the corner with the right certain push of undermethylization and histamine. Low histamine types can go and go on and on before popping if they even give a shit enough to get some strange.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release…50328181920.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_medicine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Originally Posted by twatteaser

Silly rabbit, do the Niacin test. some strange.

Roger that sir. GNC here I come.

Make sure it is NORMAL Niacin not sustained or delayed release. Will say so right on the bottle.


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Recently, I found out that I could not last long in bed as well. Last week, each time I went to bed, I woke up 5 hours later and finding it hard to get back to sleep.

My bed routine normally is normal sleep 8 hours and nap sleep 20 mins. I am really desperate now, I am going to meet my girlfriend in two months time. I really need help. I want to last longer.

;)


I have decided whatever I do I will move forward in life

Twatteaser,

I too am intrigued by my own answers to your many questions posed and would like to try the Niacin test. I understand the non-time-released concept, but which “Niacin” is the best for this: Nicotinic Acid or Nicotinamide as both are available? Thanks in advance.

So I’ve been reading about edging and I am little confused and hope someone can clarify for me. Edging is when you masturbate when you’re about to ejaculate and then you try to stop from ejaculating by doing a kegel or a reverse kegel. I’m getting different information where people say to do a regular kegel and then other people say do a reverse kegel. Which one do I do?

Kegels weather reversed or regular did not work for me. Reversed would make make me come faster like their is no restriction keeping it from coming out and it just oozes out. Kegels worked better but it only gave me extra 30 seconds at best which was enough to let me pull out in time. I think it’s different for every person weather they work or not and edging did nothing for me as well. I gave up and went the SSRI route in low doses and it’s the best thing I ever done in my life considering I could only last 30 seconds to 2 minute before hand since I was a teen.

I have my doubts about the whole histamine theory. And how old are you, original poster? A lot of the symptoms described for high histamine levels could be caused by a varied range of normal physiological causes.

Also, can someone please explain to me what does a vitamin do to affect the level of histamine?

Originally Posted by kingme

Also, can someone please explain to me what does a vitamin do to affect the level of histamine?


The vitamin is more of a cofactor in the process. It all involves methylization, specifically being undermethylated (high Histamine) or overmethylated (low histamine).
http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Thing is, I actually know what I am talking about here, and there is no evidence saying that increased vitamin B increases the level of histamine in the body. I take vitamins with my beer (which contains niacin) and it has yet to trigger my pollen allergy (which is mediated by histamine).

It is an aspect of orthomolecular medicine, which isn’t mainstream.


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Originally Posted by kingme
Thing is, I actually know what I am talking about here, and there is no evidence saying that increased vitamin B increases the level of histamine in the body. I take vitamins with my beer (which contains niacin) and it has yet to trigger my pollen allergy (which is mediated by histamine).


WHICH B vitamin are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B
B3 is Niacin, which is used as a test gauge for estimating the histamine level that the person has. The estimate is that 60% of the population is virtually NORMAL histamine. We are talking about the EXTREMES of histamine here. Extremely HIGH histamine people have been reported to get ill on a simple Multivitamin. The Niacin trick is used as a cheap as well as a quick and dirty diagnostic. I believe we are getting lost in translation on some aspects here.

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C446553.html
Recommendations for Histadelia (Histamine High)

Folate, choline, DMAE, copper and histidine are bad in theory for a high histamine person.

There is a handy chart in which the condition intersects the supplement for good and bad here under SUBTYPES:
http://www.nutritional-healing.com….ical%20Subtypes

Histamine in reference to ejaculatory disorders:
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communi…y_disorders.asp Specifically low histamine types and how it is SOLVED

http://www.vitamins-supplements.org…s/histidine.php Large doses of histidine can cause premature ejaculation, reduces levels of zinc and possibly trigger an allergic or asthmatic reaction (due to increases in histamine). Long-term supplementation with Histidine may give rise to a copper deficiency and raise blood cholesterol levels. L-histidine is generally well tolerated. At the very bottom of link.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc…c47b28e3a3d8712
5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT or serotonin) is involved in ejaculatory control, with its ejaculation-retarding effects likely to be attributable to activation of 5-HT1B and 5-HT2C receptors, both spinally and supraspinally. By contrast, stimulation of 5-HT1A receptors precipitates ejaculation. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), which are used for treatment of psychiatric disorders, can delay ejaculation in humans and are widely used ‘off-label’ for treatment of premature ejaculation. SSRIs require 1–2 weeks’ chronic dosing to be effective, similar to their use for treatment of depression. However, a new short-acting SSRI is effective ‘on demand’ and might represent the first of a new generation of therapies targeted to premature ejaculation.

Now High Histamine types have lower serotonin levels. Serotonin can be raised by 5HTP, a natural OTC product. SSRIs work on the back end to [semi-emulate seratonion. Yet doctors prescribe nothing but SSRIs for premature ejaculation the majority of the time. They are fixing the end result, instead of the process leading to high histamine types’s problems with being a minute man.

The amino acid histidine also is found in maca root in high amounts. This amino acid plays an often-overlooked but important role in sexual function: during ejaculation and orgasm. The body utilizes histidine to produce histamine, and histamine in the corpus cavernosum (penile erectile tissue) ultimately is responsible for the way ejaculations happen. Men suffering from premature ejaculation often show increased histamine activity; they may be helped by a simple antihistamine, or the amino acid methionine (which counteracts the formation of histamine from histidine). This is the same mechanism that explains a side effect of prescription antihistamines - aorgasmia (or the inability/difficulty to achieve an orgasm). Conversely, men and women having difficulties achieving orgasms may be helped by histidine supplementation - this may increase histamine levels in the sexual tract, which in turn make orgasms and ejaculations easier. An additional pro-sexual effect of histidine (as well as arginine) may lie in its vasodilating effect, increasing blood flow to the sex organs. Again, the significant, natural histidine content of maca may have played a role in the rat studies reporting a greater number of copulations. But it does make one wonder - is the benefit of additional copulations at the expense of shorter duration and/or premature ejaculation? Surely this subject is best suited for truly independent (and not product-sponsored) research.
http://www.rain-tree.com/maca.htm

Nutritional solutions for sexual problems:
Premature Ejaculation
Recent studies have shown that high blood histamine levels are associated with premature ejaculation. Calcium and Methionine (an amino acid) lower the histamine levels in the blood.
http://instantedcure.com/sexualhealth.htm

SEXUAL AROUSAL & FUNCTION
”” Histidine is involved in the function of the thalamus and hypothalamus glands, and orgasm is triggered when histamine is released from the mast cells in the genitals. Histamine also causes the sexual flush that occurs during arousal. Many women fail to achieve sexual pleasure and orgasm, and often other treatments including psychotherapy may be unsuccessful. This problem may be a result of a biochemical imbalance, since sufficient histamine must be present in order to trigger an orgasm. Deficiencies of L-Histidine will effect histamine levels.
”” Supplementing with L-Histidine will increase histamine levels as proved by Carl Pfeiffer, M.D., and Ph.D. in his research on non-orgasmic women. He administered doses of 500mg. of L-Histidine (1) before each meal (for a total of 3 per day) restoring sexual pleasure in women. (He also helped women who had irregular periods become regular by giving doses of 4g. per day).
”” Dr. Pfeiffer noted that males who had excessive L-Histidine levels had the problem of premature ejaculation. He gave these men supplementation of 500 mg. of L-Methionine along with 500 mg. of magnesium and 50mg. of vitamin B6. This helped normalize the levels of Histidine, and alleviated the problem of premature ejaculation. (Those taking L-Methionine should also take a B complex with folic acid to help prevent excessive homocysteine levels).
http://www.smhomeopathic.com/store/product915.html


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Originally Posted by dudleyvw
Twatteaser,

I too am intrigued by my own answers to your many questions posed and would like to try the Niacin test. I understand the non-time-released concept, but which “Niacin” is the best for this: Nicotinic Acid or Nicotinamide as both are available? Thanks in advance.


Nicotinic Acid is NORMAL NIACIN, that is what you want. Make sure she isn’t delayed release or extended release cause that won’t show any flushing, which you want.
Nicotinamide Thus niacinamide does not reduce cholesterol or cause flushing,[1] although nicotinamide may be toxic to the liver at doses exceeding 3 g/day for adults. Cause it doesn’t cause a flush, it isn’t the right tool to gauge your Histamine level.


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Hmmm. I am not convinced by anything you said so far, I’m sorry.

First of all, histamine is present in almost all cells of the body and is released only when needed. Elevation of histamine in the blood is only a temporary condition, triggered among others by allergies, parasites.

5HPT is a precursor of serotonin but it can be found in a lot of normal food people eat, in the form of tryptophane. Severe lack of triptophane is very very rare and is associated with malnutrition. Increasing the uptake will have limited effect.

SSRI do not work by emulating serotonin. They prevent it from being reused in the synapses of the nervous system.

I would advise anyone to be cautious with exceeding the dosage of vitamin B3 (niacin) because in high dosage it will have secondary effects and that does not mean you have any kind of high histamine levels. The only way to know how high your histamine blood level is is by a proper blood test at a proper lab, and I doubt anyone does it frequently.

If you want to advise people to try herbal or homeopathic treatments, please specify so. Don’t lead people into thinking it is common allopathic medicine.

Originally Posted by kingme
Hmmm. I am not convinced by anything you said so far, I’m sorry.

No need to apologize.

Originally Posted by kingme
First of all, histamine is present in almost all cells of the body and is released only when needed. Elevation of histamine in the blood is only a temporary condition, triggered among others by allergies, parasites.

Histamine is in every cell, it doesn’t mean it is at an optimal or normal level. Your elevation example is only for NORMAL people who have the right levels.

Originally Posted by kingme
5HPT is a precursor of serotonin but it can be found in a lot of normal food people eat, in the form of tryptophane. Severe lack of triptophane is very very rare and is associated with malnutrition. Increasing the uptake will have limited effect.

People eat so healthy now? You are what you eat. I agree diet plays a role in mood, but how many people eat the right foods, especially in an Industrialized Western society? Is this going turn into a vitamin debate?

http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/Met-O…ationships.html
http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/foodandmood.htm
http://www.myprimetime.com/play/sel…ood/index.shtml

Originally Posted by kingme
SSRI do not work by emulating serotonin. They prevent it from being reused in the synapses of the nervous system.

I should have explained it better. I attempted to be more generalized to combat any translation issues. So that is my fault.

Drugs emulate or rework a common substance into Patentable & protected product that re-engineers and results in a treatment. Supplements can be sold by anyone really. An SSRI just removes the fuel return line to the tank, so more floats around, if we look at it from an automobile analogy. Tryptophan, SAM-e, and 5htp cause a blanket rise in the serotonin level. Lots of Drugs attempt to work on specific subtypes of neurotransmitters these days. An SSRI will not make a single ounce of extra serotonin anywhere. It tricks the backend to make it feel like it has. SSRIs are just a greasy monkey trick pharamcologically. So like you said, it doesn’t get sucked back up and can float free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRIs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexapro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stablon is a special drug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seroto…ptake_inhibitor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP Pretty much the highest end product OTC, that has less steps to go through to reach Serotonin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM-e
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan is the lowest on the link to finally be cracked down like oil into the end product of Serotonin.

Originally Posted by kingme
I would advise anyone to be cautious with exceeding the dosage of vitamin B3 (niacin) because in high dosage it will have secondary effects and that does not mean you have any kind of high histamine levels. The only way to know how high your histamine blood level is is by a proper blood test at a proper lab, and I doubt anyone does it frequently.

250mgs of Niacin Deadly? 50mg if you are extreme in high histamine? That is all you need to do the testing at home. I guess it must be a weapon of mass destruction? I guess the armored cavalry is going surround every drug store in the USA. They are like on every corner now, so we need lots of tanks and men.

“Some people can find it confusing to figure out which one they are. A simple test you may try is to buy some niacin 50 mg. (nicotinic acid niacin which causes the flushing). If you flush from only 50 mg. of niacin then you are a high histamine type. You can try some aspirin or some amylase or calcium to counter the flushing which you may find uncomfortable. (You will probably never use that 50 mg. nicotinic acid supplement again since you sound like a histadelic, so you might consider the blood test option.)” http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/a…php/t-8299.html

So I agree, that a blood test would be the best option, but you have to have a doctor write you a script to be tested in the majority of cases. Most General practitioners have a limited scope of knowledge, specialists in theory should be better, but not always.

Originally Posted by kingme
If you want to advise people to try herbal or homeopathic treatments, please specify so. Don’t lead people into thinking it is common allopathic medicine.


I explained that it wasn’t a mainstream application. Did you miss that a few posts above and in every thread I discussed about it? Did you bother to read the orthomolecular links, which explains that in the criticism? Thanks for taking the time there, my friend, I appreciate it.

Mainstream Medical and psychiatric don’t care for any type of Orthomolecular explanations. Even funnier is histamine is a fringe element in most orthomolecular circles as well.

Technically, my friend, we are on a fringe site after all. Are you going to ask for scientific proof before you start yanking your crank here too?


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

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