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Malandro, you sound like you are expecting negative side effects; maybe you’re paying too much attention to the negative posts here. I started Finasteride 7 weeks ago and feel fine; still experiencing rock hard erections and maintaining my regular fitness routine of 8km endurance runs 4 times a week and daily maintenence weight training. I was prescribed this drug by a VERY cautious female doctor who took 2 weeks to research the background before recommending it to me. There is no guarantee that you (or I) will not get ‘sides’, but the risk seems extremely low.

Originally Posted by malandro
I started to take finasteride three days ago, how long it takes to feel any side effect? (like low libido)

I’ve taken finasteride for 10 years and have never suffered from low libido side effects.


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Hey guys, an update for anyone who’s interested.

I stopped taking proscar a few months ago. This wasn’t by choice, I just couldn’t afford to buy another packet haha.

I guess it worked, because during the time of taking it, my hair was retained. However, months after having stopped my hair started thinning again, and now it’s at the point where it’s very thin at the front. It’s getting worse. It absolutely sucks.

However, atleast a positive is that, for the sake of research: finasteride will help you, even if it doesn’t seem noticeable. I wasn’t sure whether or not it was doing anything when I was taking it. But 2-3 months after I stopped taking it, the rate of my hair falling out increased significantly, and I realized that proscar helped me retain hair.


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Has anyone tried Xandrox by Regrowth? I’m from the UK and doctors rarely prescribe treatment for hair but I noticed Im receeding and getting thinner on top so was searching for online options. From what I gather minoxidil is the key component? I’m thinking of getting the xandrox 15 bottle but wondered if anyone had experience with it?


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Originally Posted by westla90069
Finasteride. Don’t be afraid of the rare side effects. The sooner you start, the more hair you’ll retain.

(Cue links to all the Propecia horror threads.)

I realize you may have the best intentions, but why tell some one that when you have no idea of what you’re suggesting ( or even worse when maybe you do)?! I don’t care what the medical literature tells us, side effects almost certainly aren’t as rare as they tell us. Of the few, granted only a few, men I know who took Propecia, they ALL had side effects to some extent. I forget the exact numbers, but the amount of test subjects Merck based their safety findings on was ridiculously small.

The worst part is that side effects do have the possibility of being permanent! Which I believe in one country, I forget which one, the literature accompanying Propecia states exactly that.

As a personal suffer of the “rare” side effects for over 10 years, I would agree. Don’t be afraid of the “rare” side effects, just don’t ever take that poison! I can tell you that when you have all the issues I now have, the amount of hair you have on your head is trivial.

NO one can tell you how you will react to Propecia. But what I can tell you is that you are gambling with your life. Don’t gamble with things you can’t afford to lose. I know you posted this some time ago, but hopefully my reply isn’t too late.

I’m not bashing westla and had no intention what so ever of mentioning my condition. However, the thought of that shit ruining another unsuspecting human beings life is too much.

It has ruined mine, please don’t let it ruin yours.

Peace.

Originally Posted by vintrig
I realize you may have the best intentions, but why tell some one that when you have no idea of what you’re suggesting ( or even worse when maybe you do)?! I don’t care what the medical literature tells us, side effects almost certainly aren’t as rare as they tell us. Of the few, granted only a few, men I know who took Propecia, they ALL had side effects to some extent. I forget the exact numbers, but the amount of test subjects Merck based their safety findings on was ridiculously small.

The worst part is that side effects do have the possibility of being permanent! Which I believe in one country, I forget which one, the literature accompanying Propecia states exactly that.

As a personal suffer of the “rare” side effects for over 10 years, I would agree. Don’t be afraid of the “rare” side effects, just don’t ever take that poison! I can tell you that when you have all the issues I now have, the amount of hair you have on your head is trivial.

NO one can tell you how you will react to Propecia. But what I can tell you is that you are gambling with your life. Don’t gamble with things you can’t afford to lose. I know you posted this some time ago, but hopefully my reply isn’t too late.

I’m not bashing westla and had no intention what so ever of mentioning my condition. However, the thought of that shit ruining another unsuspecting human beings life is too much.

It has ruined mine, please don’t let it ruin yours.

Peace.


So you have conclusive medical/scientific proof that your side efects were caused by Finasteride and nothing else? Since you are questioning the side effect claims made by the producers of Finasteride, I presume you have better scientific evidence to contradict it. I think the help of a good and trusted MD is the best source of advice in these matters.

Does anybody know anything about the finasteride brand ‘finasta’?. I bought it yesterday and am going to start using it. I assume it’s the same thing as ‘Proscar’ (which would be a good thing, since Proscar works for me), but I’d like some confirmation on the issue. Anyone?

Originally Posted by vintrig
I realize you may have the best intentions, but why tell some one that when you have no idea of what you’re suggesting ( or even worse when maybe you do)?! I don’t care what the medical literature tells us, side effects almost certainly aren’t as rare as they tell us. Of the few, granted only a few, men I know who took Propecia, they ALL had side effects to some extent. I forget the exact numbers, but the amount of test subjects Merck based their safety findings on was ridiculously small.

The worst part is that side effects do have the possibility of being permanent! Which I believe in one country, I forget which one, the literature accompanying Propecia states exactly that.

As a personal suffer of the “rare” side effects for over 10 years, I would agree. Don’t be afraid of the “rare” side effects, just don’t ever take that poison! I can tell you that when you have all the issues I now have, the amount of hair you have on your head is trivial.

NO one can tell you how you will react to Propecia. But what I can tell you is that you are gambling with your life. Don’t gamble with things you can’t afford to lose. I know you posted this some time ago, but hopefully my reply isn’t too late.

I’m not bashing westla and had no intention what so ever of mentioning my condition. However, the thought of that shit ruining another unsuspecting human beings life is too much.

It has ruined mine, please don’t let it ruin yours.

Peace.


What exactly were the permanent issues you got from taking finasteride, if you don’t mind me asking?


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In December 2008, the Swedish Medical Products agency concluded a safety investigation of Propecia and advise that use of Propecia may result in persistent sexual side effects. The Agency’s updated safety information lists difficulty in obtaining an erection that persists even after discontinuing Propecia as a possible side effect.[8]

Finasteride - possible side effects

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Nick33, I’m in the same boat. Young, just beginning to get some thinning on the temples… I kind of wanted to share some of my thoughts on this with you and maybe see what you think…

I feel pretty conflicted about drugs. I usually try not to put stuff in my body that risks considerable side effects, especially if the person/entity giving it to me is motivated primarily by a corporate bottom line.

I also feel conflicted because I don’t want to be dependent on a drug company for my self-esteem. It’s almost like your self image has been kidnapped and you have to pay ransom. I mean, one of my favorite things about PE, and Thunders in particular, is that it allows you to improve your own situation and your own self-esteem without being permanently dependent on some big business.

Lastly, I don’t want to beat up on myself for looking older as I age. I mean, I am getting older. But, I also tend to be interested in girls who are open-minded and not judgmental, so I don’t have very intense concern about looking unnattractive with less hair. My girlfriend thinks my thinning hair is sexy/”distinguished”… I also run in a crowd where I have quite a few ‘role models’ of guys that are older than me but still young with considerable hair loss, and they are very happy, confident and successful with life and love.

At the same time… maybe I’ll change someday and regret not having done something sooner. So I’m not sure which way to go. Kind of hoping that by the time I make up my mind, if I change it, some brilliant researcher will have come up with something amazing (and Obama will personally pay for my healthcare, haha)

Anyway, just some thoughts from somebody in the same boat. Hope you’re doing well!


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Can someone tell me if rogaine causes ED? I’m wanting to buy some but have seen a few guys complaining about it when I did a search on Google.

Originally Posted by kimc
Can someone tell me if rogaine causes ED? I’m wanting to buy some but have seen a few guys complaining about it when I did a search on Google.

I have been using rogaine for maybe 7 or 8 years and no problem with ED. Rogaine doesn’t do anything about DHT it just makes the hair stay in a growing cycle.


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Originally Posted by Dino9X7
I have been using rogaine for maybe 7 or 8 years and no problem with ED. Rogaine doesn’t do anything about DHT it just makes the hair stay in a growing cycle.

Thanks Dino.

I’m holding out for a safe, permanent solution. I take it all the Bosely commercials I’ve seen are a bunch of BS? I’ve read most of this thread and don’t recall reading much about the opinions regarding implants.

Originally Posted by irishjim
So you have conclusive medical/scientific proof that your side efects were caused by Finasteride and nothing else? Since you are questioning the side effect claims made by the producers of Finasteride, I presume you have better scientific evidence to contradict it. I think the help of a good and trusted MD is the best source of advice in these matters.

You can blame anything on anything. You can’t trust the drug manufacturers or the FDA with your life, at least I know I won’t. Be aware that those telling you this drug is “fine” are the ones making the money on it. I’m sure you can go to any make of car dealer and at least one salesman there will tell you they sell the best vehicle. Don’t quote me, I’m sure I could find the facts if I wanted, at this point my only concern is getting my health back, but I’ve read Merck’s side effects statistics were based on far less than 100 men. True or not I don’t care and money talks.

I don’t need any “scientific” evidence. I’m basing my statements on my own personal experiences which to me are much more real than what you can read on the internet. If you want more “real” stories and scientific evidence go to propeciahelp. com. I was perfectly “normal”. I took exactly one propecia tablet and within 3 hours ( more like 2) my life turned to shit. In less than 3 hours after that first tablet my dick was like it was in ice water for a year ( not like it’s even close to what is use to be now ). Yes, I never got an erection for over a year, not very scientific, but seemed pretty real to me as unscientific as it was. I even had a girlfriend at the time ( the last one) and not even with her help could I achieve an erection. I was also in healthy relationships with women prior to propecia and I haven’t had one since, which is ten years, so I have that going for me too.

I have never been the same since. Often I have no libido, no control over my erections, terrible brain fog ( I feel dumb as hell), anxiety, adrenal fatigue, fatigue, fluctuating testosterone levels, elevated estrogen levels, depression, the list goes on. All fun stuff if you haven’t experienced them. Oh, and as a bonus I have insomnia. For about 2 or 3 years I would get 2 to 4 hours of sleep of night while busting my balls working long hours of construction. There were many work weeks where I would get 10 to 12 hours of sleep. My sleep is still very poor, but not to that extreme now. I could give you some of the real horror stories that I experienced at my lowest and some at my not so lowest, but I don’t see any point into getting into all that here, nor will I. I had not one of those issues prior to propecia, not one, and after one pill my life turned to shit, which I have thousands of dollars of scientific labs to prove my condition now and many more thousands in Dr. bills and perscriptions. Do I have labs prior to propecia? No, but let’s be honest when you hear hoof-beats you look for horses not zebras. It is statistically and logically virtually impossible for someone who is in good health to take one pill and within a few hours their health and life is in shambles and have it be something other than that drug.

I understand your warranted and logical pessimism on my views. However, in this case I have much ( in comparison to none that I’m aware of ) unfortunate life experience in this matter which involves personal disaster and researching scientific reports at nausea. One can talk to an MD in this matter, I would recommend it myself. Just be aware that when you have all these issues that MD most likely won’t be able to help you. I’ve been to enough to know. One member of propeciahelp had been to over 80 doctors in a year with no help. I’m sure there have been thousands of Dr.’s seen by all the members of propeciahelp, none of which have found a “cure” for all of us. Some of the fortunate ones, usually with minor issues, have found a Dr. to help them, but that is rare.

There is now also a class action lawsuit in Canada against Merck for propecia. I’m sure there is plenty of scientific evidence to back that as well. Anyone considering propecia, just search for its side effects and spend an hour at propeciahelp reading, if you make it that long and then make your decision. A MD told me and many other thousands of men our side effects most likely wouldn’t occur and if they did, they wouldn’t be permanent.

My only intent of this post was to share my own personal experience ( which includes reading scientific reports) to inform those considering propecia. As I stated in my previous post, I had no intent in talking about this on here, it brings me down of which is all too easy for me to do. I’m going to focus the little energy I have trying to improve my health and if I can make a few people aware of the concerns of this drug along the way all the better. Obviously, there are those who take propecia with no side effects. To me it’s like playing Russian Roulette, because if you are one of the unlucky ones, there may be nothing that can help you. Take my word on it, it’s a shitty feeling. I often wonder why I’ve had to endure this in life. I don’t know, but I do know if I can help just one person from going down the same road as I, I’ll find some peace knowing that they are still able to enjoy their life.

Vt

I used to use all this products but the best solution is shave your head just look the bald super stars like Nicholas Cage they live for his look and have millions, yacht, a private island as well. And every year is more bald. All bullshit at the end you spend money in something very useless. If they can’t stop why you think you can?

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