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Originally Posted by marinera
The very high levels of vitamin D that are often recommended by doctors and testing laboratories — and can be achieved only by taking supplements — are unnecessary and could be harmful, an expert committee says. It also concludes that calcium supplements are not needed.

The very high levels of vitamin D that are often recommended by doctors and testing laboratories — and can be achieved only by taking supplements — are unnecessary and could be harmful, an expert committee says. It also concludes that calcium supplements are not needed.


At the same time, vitamin D sales have soared, growing faster than those of any supplement, according to The Nutrition Business Journal. Sales rose 82 percent from 2008 to 2009, reaching $430 million. “Everyone was hoping vitamin D would be kind of a panacea,” Dr. Black said. The report, he added, might quell the craze.

“I think this will have an impact on a lot of primary care providers,” he said.

The 14-member expert committee was convened by the Institute of Medicine, an independent nonprofit scientific body, at the request of the United States and Canadian governments. It was asked to examine the available data — nearly 1,000 publications — to determine how much vitamin D and calcium people were getting, how much was needed for optimal health and how much was too much.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/h…tamin.html?_r=0

The entire study this article references is just meta data analysis and basically does little more than conclude more study is needed to recommend high doses of vitamin D and calcium.

Also one of the authors, Christopher Gallagher, has know ties to the drug industry.

J. Christopher Gallagher, M.D., Professor of Medicine, Creighton University Medical School, Department of Metabolism, St. Joseph’s Hospital, Omaha, NE. Served as a consultant to GlaxoSmithKline, Organon, Pfizer, and Wyeth, and has received research grants from Organon, Pfizer, and Wyeth.

From

http://www.cspinet.org/cgi-bin/integrity.cgi


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Originally Posted by marinera
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Studies showing the negative or null effects of vitamins supplements are so common that it is surprising doctors still find these studies to be surprising. Vitamins are not as simple as A-B-C. The latest bit of confusion appears in the April 27 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. Doctors in Australia provided nearly 1,900 pregnant women with either supplements of vitamins C and E or a placebo to see whether the vitamins would lower the risk of developing high blood pressure during pregnancy. It didn’t work.

Surprisingly, the doctors said, the vitamin group had a slightly higher rate of high blood pressure compared to the placebo group.

But we love our vitamins.

Americans spend about $2 billion a year on vitamins C and E, along with beta carotene (a precursor of vitamin A) and selenium, according to Nutrition Business Journal. These are the most popular antioxidants, a class of chemicals said to cure just about everything.

The trouble is, science can’t seem to support the bad movie script created by the vitamin supplement industry…..

http://www.livescience.com/720-vita…tioxidants.html

While vitamins C&E may not have been shown to lower the risk of preeclampsia low vitamin D levels have been shown to increase the risk.

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/…bxe4mP5XC1IhE0A

http://health.usnews.com/health-new…plication-study


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Originally Posted by marinera
One more if you don’t mind:

Annals Of Internal Medicine
Editorials | 17 December 2013


Enough Is Enough: Stop Wasting Money on Vitamin and Mineral Supplements


[i]Three articles in this issue address the role of vitamin and mineral supplements for preventing the occurrence or progression of chronic diseases.

First, Fortmann and colleagues (1) systematically reviewed trial evidence to update the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendation on the efficacy of vitamin supplements for primary prevention in community-dwelling adults with no nutritional deficiencies. After reviewing 3 trials of multivitamin supplements and 24 trials of single or paired vitamins that randomly assigned more than 400 000 participants, the authors concluded that there was no clear evidence of a beneficial effect of supplements on all-cause mortality, cardiovascular disease, or cancer.

Second, Grodstein and coworkers (2) evaluated the efficacy of a daily multivitamin to prevent cognitive decline among 5947 men aged 65 years or older participating in the Physicians’ Health Study II. After 12 years of follow-up, there were no differences between the multivitamin and placebo groups in overall cognitive performance or verbal memory.

Adherence to the intervention was high, and the large sample size resulted in precise estimates showing that use of a multivitamin supplement in a well-nourished elderly population did not prevent cognitive decline. Grodstein and coworkers’ findings are compatible with a recent review (3) of 12 fair- to good-quality trials that evaluated dietary supplements, including multivitamins, B vitamins, vitamins E and C, and omega-3 fatty acids, in persons with mild cognitive impairment or mild to moderate dementia. None of the supplements improved cognitive function.

Third, Lamas and associates (4) assessed the potential benefits of a high-dose, 28-component multivitamin supplement in 1708 men and women with a previous myocardial infarction participating in TACT (Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy). After a median follow-up of 4.6 years, there was no significant difference in recurrent cardiovascular events with multivitamins compared with placebo (hazard ratio, 0.89 [95% CI, 0.75 to 1.07]). The trial was limited by high rates of nonadherence and dropouts.


Other reviews and guidelines that have appraised the role of vitamin and mineral supplements in primary or secondary prevention of chronic disease have consistently found null results or possible harms (56). Evidence involving tens of thousands of people randomly assigned in many clinical trials shows that β-carotene, vitamin E, and possibly high doses of vitamin A supplements increase mortality (67) and that other antioxidants (6), folic acid and B vitamins (8), and multivitamin supplements (1, 5) have no clear benefit.



Despite sobering evidence of no benefit or possible harm, use of multivitamin supplements increased among U.S. adults from 30% between 1988 to 1994 to 39% between 2003 to 2006, while overall use of dietary supplements increased from 42% to 53% (9).



http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1789253

This is at the bottom of the article you link here.

This letter is in response to your recent editorial stating there was no benefit from taking vitamins or mineral supplements. The authors purported their opinions were as facts. They stated that most supplements “do not prevent chronic disease or death, and they should be avoided.”

The authors totally disregarded the best and most comprehensive study to date, The physicians healthy study II published in the American Medical Association, November 2, 2012. That study followed nearly 15,000 male doctors older than 50 for up to 13 years. The study revealed that men taking centrum silver multivitamin alone reduced the risk of cancer by over 8% from any source except prostate. I quote from the above study, “recent studies have looked at vitamins such as B, C, E and whether they can prevent cancer. They didn’t come up with any significant results, and some found a higher risk of certain illnesses. The researchers state that those studies were limited in scope and size. They also used single supplements at high doses, compared to how much a daily vitamin provides.”

The physicians health study II is the only large scale, randomized double blind, placebo-controlled trial testing the long term effects of common multi-vitamins.

If the authors are correct in their assumptions then every ophthalmologist in the free world who prescribes anti-oxidant vitamins with lutein to treat macular-degeneration is wrong. If the authors are correct then every OB/GYN in the free world who prescribe prenatal vitamins to prevent spina-bifida, meningomylocele and other neural-tube defects in the neonate are wrong. This regimen is factual and proven. If the authors are correct the the vast majority of urologists that prescribe time release vitamin C to their patients for recurrent UTI’s are wrong. This protocol obviates the need for chronic antibiotic use, which creates drug resisitant bacterial strains. Bacteria have a very difficult time living in a acid environment ergo the vitamin C.

If the authors are correct then another excellent study dated May 20, 2013 out of Oxford University is wrong. “…the subject of the latest research study showed that vitamin B (B6, B12, folic acid) is the first and only disease-modifying treatment that worked”. The study stated, “we have proven the concept that you can modify the disease”. The study showed that there was slowing of atrophy of the gray matter in the brain effected by Alzheimer’s disease.

This was a doubleblinded study of two years of duration which, discovered that the brain shrinkage slowed by 30%, and in some cases brain shrinkage slowed by more than 50%.

How do you know that your antioxidant vitamins are working? Your hair and nails will grow at a very rapid rate. Rapid cell turnover is what your body needs; it prevents GI cancers, which are activated by cell stagnation. Also rapid turnover of skin cells help prevent skin cancers.

I recommend to the authors that they be thought a fool rather than to put it in print and remove all doubt. I recommend to the patients that if they find a doctor who states that one receives all the vitamins and minerals from the food they eat, they should find another doctor.

Enough is enough!!!

Irvine Mason, M.D.

Board Certified Neurologist

IM/lm


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I don’t take any multivitamins other than fish oil because I bought a vegetable juicer and I juice a bunch of organic vegetables everyday and also have a fruit smoothie everyday using my blender.


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Originally Posted by WantABiggerPeni
I don’t take any multivitamins other than fish oil because I bought a vegetable juicer and I juice a bunch of organic vegetables everyday and also have a fruit smoothie everyday using my blender.

Good for you!!!

Very smart, organic things are what we need. All this synthetic vitamins for regular people are a real good business, and we get blind.

Cheers.


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Peavey.

Right.

I eat organic veggies & fruits, pure juices, mostly eat fish & poultry or occasional beef. I still choose to take a multivitamin 3-4 times a week. Even though my diet is fish heavy, I also choose to take fish oil 1-2 times a day.

Why? Because I believe it can’t hurt and it may help.

As far as the pissing it away/expensive piss, well, I’d rather piss out more vitamins than chance my body maybe missing out on one or more.

Originally Posted by Mirthandirxiii
http://www.examiner.com/article/big…redits-vitamins

http://www.theguardian.com/society/…h.lifeandhealth

This is coming to America in the form of the proposed FDA regulations I linked earlier. With this I am done, you guys can believe whatever you want. Pharmaceutical companies are actively working to eliminate supplements that threaten their money makers, their patented formulas. They buy them out, regulate them out, or fund research to discredit them. I could give you a natural remedy to almost anything you can name that works and doesn’t cause a ton of unwanted side effects. Vitamins and minerals are the building blocks of your body and you somehow see insuring your daily needs are met as a waste. The propaganda machine works, I truly regret I couldn’t help you see past it.

Marinera, just for the sake of clarification and civility I want to say that my line about wanting to help you see past it may have come across as condescending and that was not my intention. For that I apologize. I genuinely believe the potential benefits of a multivitamin and supplements in general outweigh the costs and risks and honestly tried to convey that belief with logic and evidence.

In the world of scientific evidence personal experience counts for little but here is mine. I have post traumatic stress due to a child predator trying to kidnap me when I was 3. I grew up on medication to treat anxiety, anxiety attacks, depression, and insomnia among other things. I have been on everything from xanax to lithium. I was really doped up as a child.

Long story short, after years of being on prescription drugs that hardly beneficial, extremely expensive, and often had serious side effects I started looking for alternatives. I quickly found out how much contradictory information is out there but after much research I started growing valerian to make tea. Its calming without the drugged up feeling. Then I started taking valerian extract. Then finally added L-theanine (derived from green tea) to my regiment.

I haven’t had an anxiety attack in about 2 years. I’m relaxed without being nearly comatose, I’m healthy and I wouldn’t go back to prescription drugs if you paid me. It costs me about 20 dollars a month but for the difference it has made in my quality of life I would pay much more.

In any case if my defense of the supplement industry seemed overzealous this is the reason. If I offended I apologize.


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