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Vitamn D lack is due to a deficit in sun exposition as far as I know - it isn’t really a vitamn.

Viitamins and other supplements worth nothing are sold by Big Pharma too. Big Pharma and supplements industry works in the very same way.

Originally Posted by marinera
Vitamn D lack is due to a deficit in sun exposition as far as I know - it isn’t really a vitamn.

Viitamins and other supplements worth nothing are sold by Big Pharma too. Big Pharma and supplements industry works in the very same way.

Still not convinced. Say for instance

Infants and young children who are vitamin D deficient may be imprinted for the rest of their lives with increased risks of type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and many common cancers (Figure 8). Adults are at increased risk of common cancers and cardiovascular disease. Recently, it has been reported that young adults with vitamin D deficiency were at greater risk of congestive heart failure than were their vitamin D-sufficient counterparts Infants and young children who are vitamin D deficient may be imprinted for the rest of their lives with increased risks of type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and many common cancers. Adults are at increased risk of common cancers and cardiovascular disease. Recently, it has been reported that young adults with vitamin D deficiency were at greater risk of congestive heart failure than were their vitamin D-sufficient counterparts.

Quote from

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content…9/3/362.full#F8

Take diabetes just as an example.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/…ype-2-diabetes/

http://www.intechopen.com/books/oxi…oxidant-actions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie…_b_2220128.html

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti…urce/vitamin-d/

Just to name a few. Now mind you I’m sticking with vitamin D because deficiency is common in the west and yes it is synthesized by the skin during sun exposure but it is a vitamin. Just not necessarily a dietary vitamin. Now you mention that pharmaceutical companies are involved in the supplement business and thats true but and I’m sure they make a little money from it but it pales to what they make off patented products where they are free to set their own price. Its mainly just a smokescreen for their involvement in the industry. The bottom line is the pharmaceutical companies lose money if the population gets healthier. To believe profit driven corporate giants like the pharmaceutical companies want you to be healthy is naive.

We eradicated polio with a vaccine invented in 1952. Small pox was eradicated in 1977. Technology was practically stone age by todays standards so why aren’t we wiping out diseases left and right? The answer is it is far more profitable to treat a disease than to cure it. This is a bit of a digression I know but it testifies to the evil nature of a profit driven industry that most people rely on for their health needs.


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Last edited by iamaru : 04-30-2014 at .

Aren’t those exactly Big Pharma’ tactics. I think supplements industry is just another branch of Big Pharma for the most part and the ‘Drugs vs. Supplements’ is just marketing.

Did you read this article? This actually says selenium does help prevent cancer. It recommends women take 50-60 mcg a day to raise levels to the ideal range, and men 100 mcg. I have already provided ample evidence of both a need for vitamin D and the serious consequences of inadequate supply so taken with your account we so far we have a need vitamin D and selenium. You also didn’t dispute the fairly common need for magnesium, vitamin E, or calcium unless your suggesting selenium is a substitute for other vitamins and minerals. So that gives us vitamins D & E, selenium, magnesium, and calcium.

Lets move on to vitamin C. If you don’t eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables you probably don’t get enough of it either.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448351/

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/5/1252.abstract

And the potential consequences of inadequate supply.

http://umm.edu/health/medical/altme…c-ascorbic-acid


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Lets also get some perspective on the monsters. In 2012 the supplement industry pulled in about 32 billion in profits. Sounds like a lot until you compare it to the 954 billion the pharmaceutical industry brought in with 2014 projected at about 1.1 trillion.

So say correct vitamin and mineral intake helps with only two of the many possible diseases deficiencies have been linked to. Say diabetes and cardiovascular disease risk can be greatly reduced with proper vitamin and mineral intake, from supplements and/or food. The potential profit loss by the pharmaceutical companies would probably rival or maybe even exceed the entire supplement industry. One number I found was 132 billion spent a year on diabetes care alone, I’ll bet half or more of that is pharmaceutical profits.


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Sure I have read the article. And I am pretty confident I have understood it also. :-)

Let’s admit it, we revel in getting stuck into the ‘evil’ drug industry, and we take great comfort in thinking that the manufacturers of our nutritional supplements are the resistance. An altruistic cottage industry which stands for health and wellbeing first – everything the drug industry does not. The common perception is the drug industry will do everything possible to berate and undermine their credibility. We see it frequently; research is released questioning the benefits of supplemental interventions and the default response is to seek out flaws in the studies methodology, with the obligatory blame on drug industry for their impinging influence……

…..

But, here’s what we don’t hear being banded about, those supplements you buy, there’s every chance the company is simply a subsidiary of the vast drug industry, and your money is going straight into their coffers. Just this week the pharmaceutical company Reckitt outbid Bayer to purchase Schiff nutrition for $1.4 billion. This marks the third large acquisition of its type this year.

In February pharmaceutical giant Pfizer (makers of the popular multivitamin Centrum) boosted their already $1 billion a year nutritional supplements pipeline by buying out the maker of the popular Emergen C brand, Alacer Corp, for $360 million.

Even Proctor and Gamble are expanding past their successful grooming and household care range, making a foray into the nutritional supplement world with their $250 million takeover of the organic supplement makers New Chapter. Many of us are engrained to believe it is either drugs or supplements, but the pharmaceutical industry doesn’t buy into this segregation. And, why should they, things have never been better for them. We are sicker than ever, and both industries are easily able to grow in tandem with each other. Right now more than 50% off the population is taking at least one nutritional supplement daily. In the US alone it’s worth an estimated $28 billion a year. The drug companies don’t want to quash the supplement industry, they want to own it. The most recent estimate is that within 5 years the pharmaceutical industry will be producing 50% of the nutritional supplements on the market.

…..

You often hear that the pharmaceutical industry will censure nutritional interventions for disease, the reason given that they can’t patent, so won’t market, a natural therapy. This is actually false. If you can’t patent the active ingredient, just come up with a proprietary production/delivery system and patent that instead.

On top of this legislation allows for five years of exclusivity for a medicine that is a new chemical entity. Basically, this is any active ingredient which is being marketed as an approved medicine for the first time, including natural ingredients that have previously been classed as supplements. As much as we may not want to hear it, the reason most nutritional interventions, such as high dose vitamins, are not marketed as medicines is simply because the evidence does not support them having a pharmacological effect….

www.healthuncut.com/2012/11/the-big-lie-the-pharmaceutical-and-nutritional-supplement-industry-divide/

My exact thought. And this was written a couple of years ago.

Expensive piss.


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From the Harvard school of medicine

Read enough nutrition news, and you’ll see that not all scientists agree on multivitamins. Some say that there’s not enough proof that multivitamins boost health, so they don’t recommend them. Other scientists point to studies that seem to show a link between multivitamin use and increased risk of death. But those studies are flawed. Looking at all the evidence, the potential health benefits of taking a standard daily multivitamin seem to outweigh the potential risks for most people.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti…u-eat/vitamins/


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Originally Posted by marinera
Let’s admit it, we revel in getting stuck into the ‘evil’ drug industry, and we take great comfort in thinking that the manufacturers of our nutritional supplements are the resistance. An altruistic cottage industry which stands for health and wellbeing first – everything the drug industry does not. The common perception is the drug industry will do everything possible to berate and undermine their credibility. We see it frequently; research is released questioning the benefits of supplemental interventions and the default response is to seek out flaws in the studies methodology, with the obligatory blame on drug industry for their impinging influence……

…..

But, here’s what we don’t hear being banded about, those supplements you buy, there’s every chance the company is simply a subsidiary of the vast drug industry, and your money is going straight into their coffers. Just this week the pharmaceutical company Reckitt outbid Bayer to purchase Schiff nutrition for $1.4 billion. This marks the third large acquisition of its type this year.


In February pharmaceutical giant Pfizer (makers of the popular multivitamin Centrum) boosted their already $1 billion a year nutritional supplements pipeline by buying out the maker of the popular Emergen C brand, Alacer Corp, for $360 million.


Even Proctor and Gamble are expanding past their successful grooming and household care range, making a foray into the nutritional supplement world with their $250 million takeover of the organic supplement makers New Chapter. Many of us are engrained to believe it is either drugs or supplements, but the pharmaceutical industry doesn’t buy into this segregation. And, why should they, things have never been better for them. We are sicker than ever, and both industries are easily able to grow in tandem with each other. Right now more than 50% off the population is taking at least one nutritional supplement daily. In the US alone it’s worth an estimated $28 billion a year. The drug companies don’t want to quash the supplement industry, they want to own it. The most recent estimate is that within 5 years the pharmaceutical industry will be producing 50% of the nutritional supplements on the market.

…..

You often hear that the pharmaceutical industry will censure nutritional interventions for disease, the reason given that they can’t patent, so won’t market, a natural therapy. This is actually false. If you can’t patent the active ingredient, just come up with a proprietary production/delivery system and patent that instead.


On top of this legislation allows for five years of exclusivity for a medicine that is a new chemical entity. Basically, this is any active ingredient which is being marketed as an approved medicine for the first time, including natural ingredients that have previously been classed as supplements. As much as we may not want to hear it, the reason most nutritional interventions, such as high dose vitamins, are not marketed as medicines is simply because the evidence does not support them having a pharmacological effect….


www.healthuncut.com/2012/11/the-big-lie-the-pharmaceutical-and-nutritional-supplement-industry-divide/




My exact thought. And this was written a couple of years ago.

From the about the author section of your own quote.

With a passion for sports nutrition Aidan likes to stay abreast of the most cutting edge research for optimising athletic performance and recovery. Armed with a specialised knowledge he has devised many dietary and supplement regiments for a variety of competitive athletes.

This guy literally gets paid to recommend supplements.


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Deoesn’t matter. He is a pharmacist by the wy.

The point Is that the precious and natural and healthy multivitamin you trust so much is sold by the evil Big Pharma. The Big Pharma enemy of supplements and trying to hide how miracolous vitamins and similar things are, according to you.

What we all hear about the high requirement of proteins, vitamins and 100,000 things is promoted with the very same means used by Big Pharma. They want us believe that we need a tons of unuseful things because they sell that very same unuseful or even damaging things. The human body can get away with a fraction of what it is supposed to be ‘the correct amount’ of vitamins, proteins or whatever.


Last edited by marinera : 04-29-2014 at .

I eat healthy, I take supplements. The reason I take them is to make sure I get enough of everything. I may remove a lot with bodily function, but the body won’t function properly without enough of whatever its missing. That’s been commonly stated from Doctors and bodybuilders I know. So, I go with tried and true over some journal someone decided to write.

It rather depends on what you mean by a blanket statement like severe deficits of vitamins are extremely rare, in the west at least. For example, B-12 deficiency is rather common in the US.

Serum vitamin B-12 concentrations in the US population were reported in the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys from 1999 to 2002. The prevalence of deficiency (serum vitamin B-12 < 148 pmol/L) varied by age group and affected ≤3% of those aged 20–39 y, ≈4% of those aged 40–59 y, and ≈6% of persons aged ≥70 y….Marginal depletion (serum vitamin B-12: 148–221 pmol/L) was more common and occurred in ≈14–16% of those aged 20–59 y and >20% of those >60 y. Plasma MMA concentrations were markedly higher after age 60 y. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/2/693S.full

Vitamin D (yes it is a vitamin) deficiency is much more common. (In the USofA)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15184215 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21310306

Getting what you need from natural, unprocessed foods is certainly the best way to go.


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