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Doubleweener….

Glad to hear of your experience with both PGE-2 as well as PGF2a. Let me ask you did you experience any side effects like the nausea or intense burning like I have heard exist for PGE-2? I heard of the nausea as well with the PGCL, which I also have some of in full enclosed glass vials. I have to use a razor to open these. In your experience what dose causes nausea with the PGF2a, is it when it reaches a certain proportion of the PGE-1 or is there a general rule of thumb? Hope I can find that other thread your talking about.

Inuic.

So far, PGE-2 was fine. I have even had one injection with PGE-1 and PGE-2 (and no other APIs), which came along with even less injection pain than previous injections of PGE-1 alone. PGE-2 however causes noticeably more inflammation and fluid build-up, which I think is not a bad thing at all - for increased metabolism and additional expansion, next to its main purpose of tissue remodeling.

As for dosing, this is all tricky terrain. Even though I have tried various compositions with those 3 prostaglandins, I haven’t found the perfect blend yet (and I wouldn’t lightheartedly give it away either). With Papaverine in the mix, which I use to overcome the vasoconstrictory effect of PGF2a, the game begins anew: my goal being to get all the synergies and the highest effectiveness at a good level of comfort (pain) out of these 4 components (which I now consider rather basic).

With Papaverine, the induced erection feels more natural, that is harder, and less painful (also due to the reduced PGE-1 dosage). On the other hand, I miss the massive expansion I have so far experienced from previous “3PG” blends.


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Originally Posted by Doubleweener
So far, PGE-2 was fine. I have even had one injection with PGE-1 and PGE-2 (and no other APIs), which came along with even less injection pain than previous injections of PGE-1 alone. PGE-2 however causes noticeably more inflammation and fluid build-up, which I think is not a bad thing at all - for increased metabolism and additional expansion, next to its main purpose of tissue remodeling.
As for dosing, this is all tricky terrain. Even though I have tried various compositions with those 3 prostaglandins, I haven’t found the perfect blend yet (and I wouldn’t lightheartedly give it away either). With Papaverine in the mix, which I use to overcome the vasoconstrictory effect of PGF2a, the game begins anew: my goal being to get all the synergies and the highest effectiveness at a good level of comfort (pain) out of these 4 components (which I now consider rather basic).
With Papaverine, the induced erection feels more natural, that is harder, and less painful (also due to the reduced PGE-1 dosage). On the other hand, I miss the massive expansion I have so far experienced from previous “3PG” blends.

In the patent, PGF2a was used topically, do you think it’s better to use it IC ? Is there any other reason than using a much lower dose for doing so ?


Starting stats: 6.4" / 5.6" Current Stats: 7.4" / 5.8" Short term goal: 7" / 6" Long term goal: 8" / 6.5"

Topical application has a higher variability. In combination with a vasolidator, I’d rather know the precise dose of the vasoconstrictor that comes in play.

The next is synergies between the prostaglandins, as already referenced. Then, as you state, there is dose efficiency and with it cost efficiency. PGF2a isn’t quite as cheap.


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So 12 pages short, is there any type of chemical that will increase length?

Relaxin most likely, which nowadays is synthesized by the use of bacteria instead of retrieved from animals. Human Relaxin type 2 (hr2) should be the way to go, with some “buts” added:

- It’s still very expensive

- It’s problematic when going systemic

- It’s questionable how well it works

- It’s questionable whether gains made are permanent and how hard it is to “cement”


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-What are the problems with “going systematic”?
-Why is hard to cement the gains?

-Do you have to inject it?


21 Dec 13 BPEL: 7.25" EG: 5.25" BPFSL: 7.25"

I have been injecting Human Relaxin-2 for a month or so now, and I am not sure but I have seemingly gained some length. Previously before HR2 I was 7.8 stretched now its 8. I had gained in girth as well. Subjectively it looks thicker and I thought I was 5.25 but it was actually 5.75 at its greatest point near the base. It made this change faster then I thought, but of course its all subjective aside from my measurements. I started at 7.1 L and 4.85G.

But I have done much more then HR2 in total, but since then I have seem to gain. I have done more CC injections vs into the ligament. But I intend to start injecting into the ligament some soon.

not sure if I’m allowed to post a link, but I found a peptide site carrying 5mg of Human Relaxin-2 for just $47.50 USD. I’d imagine for this price, it’s most likely bunk, no? They say it’s a custom job, although in stock. They also obviously carry other types of peptides as well. I’ll post the link if that sort of thing isn’t frowned upon over in these parts.

Originally Posted by Doubleweener
Topical application has a higher variability. In combination with a vasolidator, I’d rather know the precise dose of the vasoconstrictor that comes in play.
The next is synergies between the prostaglandins, as already referenced. Then, as you state, there is dose efficiency and with it cost efficiency. PGF2a isn’t quite as cheap.

Found some 5 mg/ml - 10 ml vial of Dinoprost(PGF2alpha), so a total of 50mg for ~70 USD(converted currency) , at a local pharmacy. With this quantity and the price so cheap I think I’m gonna use it topically .


Starting stats: 6.4" / 5.6" Current Stats: 7.4" / 5.8" Short term goal: 7" / 6" Long term goal: 8" / 6.5"

Originally Posted by Atmospheric
not sure if I’m allowed to post a link, but I found a peptide site carrying 5mg of Human Relaxin-2 for just $47.50 USD. I’d imagine for this price, it’s most likely bunk, no? They say it’s a custom job, although in stock. They also obviously carry other types of peptides as well. I’ll post the link if that sort of thing isn’t frowned upon over in these parts.

I would also be interested in the link,as I find it too damn cheap.


Starting stats: 6.4" / 5.6" Current Stats: 7.4" / 5.8" Short term goal: 7" / 6" Long term goal: 8" / 6.5"

Inuic, didn’t you post something a few months ago about receiving the Priapus Shot? How has that affect your growth? Do all of the supplements you take interfere with the affects of the shot?


21 Dec 13 BPEL: 7.25" EG: 5.25" BPFSL: 7.25"

Also, Inuic, glad to see you’re okay. That’s a terrifying tale you’ve told, but I’m glad that there were no further complications.

Yeah Bro’s that one shook me to the core… I felt like couger in Top Gun, nearly ready to turn in my wings… But I got through an XRAY later LOL…

I have slowed my roll a bit to gain perspective and analyze my safety. Its a risky hobby I have, like many others. Take race car driving, or sky diving, or scuba diving or rock climbing, or even mountain biking, etc, etc, etc… All these things have inherent risks and I faced one of them in this game. It was awful to feel what I did inside but those are the risks. I keep wondering if there is a type of auto injector that can be preloaded with amounts of x y or z compound then auto injected? I seem to recall Ron at ChemPE speaking of such a thing once somewhere. Any ideas welcomed.

DrKNoisewater.

About the Priapus, I honestly dont know what did what, all my normal injections or the PRP or the synergy between them. All I know is that combined I have gained. I have been at this less then 2 years and on and off only really. But now I am trying to be more consistent if I can, but just about to finish a contract I have and moving out of state. That will consume loads of my time and energy so I may be absent. But still working in the background. All in all in the 2 year I have been on here I have been at this cumulatively I would say 9 months. That is where I have dome some pumping and some stretching via a phallosan or penimaster to the sides only not directly forward like with a normal traction extender.

My PRP shots are on hold until I find a source for an anticogulant I can order and use with blood draw kits. I only have one source of anitcoagulant right now so only 1 kit I have is usable. PRP shots did have the most effect on my skin and how soft and stretchy its ever felt from anything I have done. Next to that its TB4 that kind of had this effect short term, PRP did so for a few months with TB4 sort of did for a few days. Seems like the HR2 does soften things up..

I am going for Girth more so then length, but one thing I was told is that the ligament can become hardened from traction devices, hence ligament injections of stuff like IGF-1 pay to go here until you get the length you want. Else with PGE-1 girth will be what gives way to the internal forces vs stretching the length ligament. So depending on your ultimate goal you will vary how and when you do your injections.

One thing I was theorizing about was following the line of force in my tissue whilst I stretch via the Penimaster or Phallosan. When you do this to the sides vs directly out perpendicular to the body you can feel your ligament at the stretching point where the tension is. That’s where I take my injection when I do so in my ligament which is much less often then elsewhere on my unit.

My other theory is to follow this line of force all the way up the shaft with both CC and sub dermal injections, but by knowing where the line is not under tension and where it is allows me to plot where to inject along the shaft where the tension and pull is greatest. And when there is tension its quite easy to follow. The ligament ends near the base but when stretching that line of force continues like the ligament went into the shaft towards the glans. Also when under tension the pain is greater, I feel more micro tears forming. I think this may lead to more of the healing process being activated. Trying both anyway.

From what I hear you could do this every 6 hours or so, with the various peptides that may be useful. Like HR2 and IGF-1, etc, etc.

I really mix it up just hoping to hedge my bets, its not the best way to gather data for science because I cant really tell what did what, but in the end I don’t care. So long as my overall process hits the mark I keep doing what I do.

But what I do that I think adds to the synergy is mix methodologies like traction and girth work all in one. Thats what I am about is synergy between methods. Not only do I constrict at the base but do so at the glans simultaneously. When I have the oring on at my base and fill up with blood then pop my penimaster on it squeezes blood back into the shaft of my unit expanding it even more. Then when this is accomplished I the put on the tension\side traction penimaster devise and stretch whilst doing double girth work at the same time.

To make it easy on myself sometimes I plump up with a lesser does of PGE-1 prior to the previous methods so I trap more blood and close the outgoing blood supply off more, so that when I inject my compounds they also get trapped more so in the localized area vs be systemically spread out at a much faster rate. I also theorize that more hypoxic conditions lead to more receptor sites for things like IGF-1 to latch onto. I imagine if I jelq’d this would aid this process.

After having done this for a spell like 15 to 45 min I pull my oring cords to let blood flow for a bit and renew and repeat.

Other times I apply my oring after I do my lite injection of PGE-1 then inject my compounds after I plump up, then well before the penismaster I hit the bath and get it hot then soak in with my oring on while my PGE-1 sets in to plump stage and gets my tissue all soft and warmed up and super plump trapping blood via the PGE-1 and oring, with fresh compounds injected.

Then thats when I pump with my water based girthmaster pump that has a gauge on it. I work up to about 200 psi or whats on that gauge as displayed units. After I plump up in warm water with my oring on I put myself in my girthmaster and start pumping and it fills with water and I go for about 15 min like this.

Once done I am super girthy and all plumped out with my oring still on and compounds 15 min after delivery I then put on the penimaster for double girth work and put on the tension.

Now imagine this analogy: Take a black rubber hose and pressurize it with hot water and leave it in the sun and pinch off both ends. At this point the internal pressure will build from the continued added heat alone because the end points are pinched off. Now as the process is building internal pressure then imagine from each end point you begin to pull or more aptly imagine one end point pinched off and stationary and the other end point pinched off and being pulled on with internal pressure already high from heat. Now once the pulling force is added the internal pressure will increase even more as the path down the hose narrows from the pull of the tension. Thereby expanding the skin of the hose. If the pressure were to great the hose my burst or blow a bubble. I have seen this first hand.

I think my process is analogus to that process very ruffly. To take it further when I add compounds its like taking different welding gases and torching the side of the hose with very low level heat in a controlled process to heat the outer balloon of the tunica.

When I get a chance I plan to get some verapamil to add to my protocol while under pressurized tension.

If I get some anticoaulant I can use with a PRP kit I will start to log my attempts at this and see what it does when I add it to my protocol.

One thing I do like the PRP shot is I dont take any shots to my glans, but will when I get some DMSO because I have some lidocane in powder form for this. But with the Priapus\PRP shot you take 5 shots 4 in the shaft 2 on each side at 2 and 7 oclock one in the glans. What I do with other compound is similar but I do 6 sites 3 on each side and skip the glans injections due to pain potential. I hurt with lidocane when I did my two Priapus shots, but was tolerable.

I have pictures but dont know how to post them yet… Info on how to is welcomed.

Inuic

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