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The Chemical PE Thread

Originally Posted by marinera
Just would like to remember that high flow priapism does not cause growth for most of people. There are thousands if not million of men who suffered of prolonged priapism, only a handful of them get an enlarged dick from it. An enlarged but no always working dick actually, since priapism can cause fibrosis in smooth muscle.

I think that the chem PE followers are taking extra measures to minimize fibrosis like PDE 5 inhibors,PABA,ALCAR,Verapamil…etc


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Bro, if the blood flow is mechanically blocked, all those chemicals aren’t going to avoid damages. The points remain beside that: if only 1 on 1,000 (arbitrary percentage, but you get the idea) of those who have prolonged priapism report an enlarged penis, would it be worth risking damage to your penis and a waste of money just to see if you had the winning ticket?

Originally Posted by marinera
Bro, if the blood flow is mechanically blocked, all those chemicals aren’t going to avoid damages. The points remain beside that: if only 1 on 1,000 (arbitrary percentage, but you get the idea) of those who have prolonged priapism report an enlarged penis, would it be worth risking damage to your penis and a waste of money just to see if you had the winning ticket?

Are you saying that when one uses PGE1 or other vasodilatating chemical, the blood flow is “mechanically blocked” ?


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Originally Posted by marinera
Just would like to remember that high flow priapism does not cause growth for most of people. There are thousands if not million of men who suffered of prolonged priapism, only a handful of them get an enlarged dick from it. An enlarged but no always working dick actually, since priapism can cause fibrosis in smooth muscle.

There is a lot to priapism, which we haven’t even looked into. The crux of the matter is oxygen.
For this reason, men with sickle cell anemia are the most prone to priapism.
E.g.:
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier…e-of-fJTgSRlf2P

By my own definition, the lack of blood oxygen would hence mark the difference between a prolonged erection (>4 hours) and priapism.

My personal opinion based on chemical PE experience is that prolonged erections (combined with a whole host of mechanical and chemical stimuli) do work for gains, even very effectively. Yet I wouldn’t recommend anyone reading my lines to walk the thin wire of risking his penis in prolonged over-night erections (yes kids, this is meant to be a disclaimer!)


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Men with sickle cell anemia are also those who gained size due to priapism. In all the reports I have read about megaphallus caused by priapism, subject had sickle cell anemia. So on them priapism could work differently than in healthy subjects. And the prolonged erection lasted over 4 hours.

Now, don’t ge me wrong, I think load is load and will stretch your tissue before or after, doesn’t meatter if it is a hanger, your hands, or your internal blood, so in theory sistematically having prlonged erections will cause some growth. What I think though is that doesn’t matter if you have a 4 hours erection or 8x 30 minutes hour erections in a given day. Neither I see much of necessity of chemicals to perform a PE routine based on prolonged ultra maximal erections. The benefits are not worth the cons.

Originally Posted by alin

Are you saying that when one uses PGE1 or other vasodilatating chemical, the blood flow is “mechanically blocked” ?

Nope. When you have an erection, the out flow in your penis is reduced; the more intense the erection, the less blood outflow. This will mean the more intense and the longer lasting the erection, less is the oxygen in your penis; this will cause damages to tissues.

Originally Posted by marinera
Now, don’t ge me wrong, I think load is load and will stretch your tissue before or after, doesn’t meatter if it is a hanger, your hands, or your internal blood, so in theory sistematically having prlonged erections will cause some growth. What I think though is that doesn’t matter if you have a 4 hours erection or 8x 30 minutes hour erections in a given day. Neither I see much of necessity of chemicals to perform a PE routine based on prolonged ultra maximal erections. The benefits are not worth the cons.

You have some good points there and I definitely agree on the risks aspect.

Let’s stretch the numbers and assume that not 4 but 8 hours of prolonged erection cause really effective gains. 480 mins equals about 40 clamping sets of 12mins each or 48 sets of 10mins each (shorter sets -> oxygen); add a few minutes for warm-up and preparation for every other set, and the day is almost fully booked.


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Sure. It is almost fully blocked with a 8 hour erection too though. :) What PEers do to cut this time is to raise the pressure expanding the penis. Ok you could do the same taking erection enhancing drugs, having both of the bests (hyperlong erections at higher than normal erections’ pressure),

I’m not sure that that is required for 99% of people, since the most likely outcome will be overwork if not injury. There are a number of guys who pump at lower erection for several hours, they report great gains but no much proof that I have seen. I don’t know, I don’t think the ‘provoked priapism’ (so to speak) way is the right one, although I hope you guys find some subsatnce that can work.

Even with chemically-induced erections, pressure is no constant. Typically, there is a lot of pressure about 15-30 mins after the injection until it fades (time to fade being subject to high variance), and there can be another pressure build-up due to the “chemical hangover” (my thesis that prostaglandins that make it in the blood flow immediately after injecting can find their way back to receptors in the penis hours later) when relaxing in bed that is in combination and intensification of the naturally occurring “night wood”. It is my experience that the latter one, from the way it looks and feels is rather comparable to a clamped erection with fluid build-up, but more inflammation (even when the pain subsides).

Undoubtedly, the danger of one day waking up with priapism (due to complications, chemicals that cause too much of a drop of oxygen, etc.) is there.


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8853393 Study done on mice, but still

“….plasma levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) were significantly elevated in high-growth mice…”
“….collagen, expressed per weight of tissue, was significantly increased in all tissues from high-growth mice, as was collagen cross-linking, expressed as moles of cross-link per mole of collagen. ….”

Taking into account this study, it may be counter productive to take igf 1 while chem pe-ing(at least regarding tunica enlargement if the purpose is to weaken it)


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Doubleweener,

I’ve noticed you are using papaverine lately.

There’s another compound similar named drotaverine . It appears to be more potent than papaverine in the example below
“Therefore,it appears that drotaverine is 6 times more potent than papaverine as a relaxant agent in the human isolated ureter.”
http://www.urosphere.com/automne_mo…drotaverine.pdf

Do you think this could this be used instead of papaverine?


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Human Relaxin 2 Injections (p. 2)

I went off track there needed to be posting here…

Ok I did the Follistatin at 150mcg…. No others just did that alone and no burn…

Then next I put together a mix of Human Relaxin-2, IGF-1 and 2, and 500mcg of the Follistatin.

Last night I was also able to get 15 min of electro stimulation in as well and applied DHT gel to my skin.

I also used and cock ring before the shots but after PGE-1 took effect so I had the plumps…

Then after the shots I applied my penimaster and got power plump between the head gasget and the cock ring… My viens really popped for a good while and I got super thick…

Then after it wore off a bit a took my 5mcg of PGE-1 to try to get hard and got really big around with no penimaster or cock ring on…

Anyway the chronicles continue and I will keep posting my experimental processes and results…

Inuic

So my max measurements have grown… I started at 7.1 now its 8 in stretched length and I started at 4.85 at my greatest girth to now 5.75 as my greatest…

Guys,

BTW I got my vials of ” PGF2a “

I get butterflies every time I get something new… But this time its heightened because I know some prostags can hurt like PGE-2 when injected or the other stronger form of this stuff “PGCL” is known to cause the runs. So before I dive into this I wonder if anyone here has ever tried this in the CC or in the dermis? Or even for muscles in general? I will check some other sources to see how its used for muscle but for smooth muscle its not mentioned as far as I can tell or remember what a good dose is…

Inuic…

Peptides I have:

Oxytocin
TB4
ACE
Follistatin
PGE-1
PGF2a
PGCL
IGE-1 LR
IGE-2 LR
Human Relaxin-2
HCG
HGH
Frag 176
PT 141
Melanotan 2
10 PRP Kits [need anticoagulants for blood first before useable] I have my centrifuge ready.
Also got DHT gel
and growth factor lotion with collagen in it… [not sure about this but it make my skin baby soft]
Also got some PABA pills I am about to start taking again….

Need Some DMSO 99.99% to try the PABA or my lidocaine with too

3 of these things make me feel different in various way and these 3 things seem to makes my skin most elastic
TB4
Human Relaxin-2
and Oxytocin

All 3 of these give effects like making me feel flush and TB4 and Relaxin really make me feel super stretchy.

I inject mostly in the CC but do so directly in my ligament at times…

One trick I realized is when I where my penimaster there is a line of tension on my ligament I can follow up my penis. This line you can feel and follow from the base of your ligament up the penis.

What I am going to try is injecting along this line of tension up and down my penis trying to follow my ligament and the line of tension that extends from it whilst stretching via my penimaster.

Normal traction devices stretch the ligament directly outward but things like the penismaster or phallosan can be worn all day from left to right under clothes and creates the line of force injections I think will be best in.

This is because this is where I think stuff like Human Relaxin and IGF’s can make a difference if length is your goal. Mine is mostly Girth because my wife already likes my length, but if I grow more I know she can take 10 plus so I have plenty of
room to spare.

Inuic.

In my DIY mixing thread I wrote about my experience of several intra-CC injections with 3 prostaglandins, that is PGE-1, PGE-2 and PGF2a.

With PGF2a you have to keep the doses down, I.e. At most half of your titrated PGE-1 dose, by recommendation even far less.

Since PGF2a is a vasoconstrictor, even small doses of it require an increase in any of your vasolidators, which in the end means more burning if your goal is to attain the same strength of induced erection. In addition, high doses of PGF2a can cause nausea.


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