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djufo,

I felt I was reasonable with you in my original response to your post. I told you I disagree with you and I told you why.
I suggest that you might want to read some of the QUANTITY of other threads around here that also disagree with you.
Yes there are threads where others DO agree with your opinion on these supplements. Apparently others here agree that it would be the wiser person who read other members experiences before taking these supplements.

I did it for the benefit of the next person who might come along and read your post. It WAS irresponsible for you to make blanket statements about the use and safety of these supplements. Statements that another reader could construe as sound medical advice. Which it is not.

If you take that as a personal attack then I guess that’s your personal issue. Heck I’ve taken that stuff too. I’m one of the people that do have adverse reactions to it. You’re correct in saying that Doctors may recommend aspirin everyday, but that doesn’t make it absolutely safe for everyone now does it?

“Absolutely safe for everybody” is a statement that only you’ve made, TWICE now.


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Originally Posted by Para-Goomba

A quick Google search indicates that yohimbe, taken in doses sufficient to cause any benefit, can produce a variety of adverse effects, and people who have certain conditions or who take certain drugs are advised to avoid it. Sure, if you take very little of it there’s probably little risk, but then you’re just paying for a placebo anyway.

Co-sign.

djufo,sorry to burst your bubble but one can buy yohimbine HCL over the counter in America. PrimaForce sells it as well as about half a dozen other companies. Its the same drug used in the prescription yohimbine: Yocon !

I personally feel Twin Labs is the best over the counter yohimbe product I have tried.I have also tried PrimaForce at many different doses up to 20 mg.I seem to respond better to the whole herb standardized for yohimbine.There are other alkaloids in yohimbe beside yohimbine that may also have a sexual effect.My understanding is they have not really been studied.This could be the reason I respond better to it or because Twin Labs buys their yohimbe product from a German company? That is what I read somewhere on a bodybuilding site years ago.They may or may not be buying form the same supplier? I have not used yohimbe in a very long time.One Twin Labs capsule does it for me. Yes, I get sides.They are mild for me. A little nausea and a runny nose. I have never tried the herb yohimbe at a lower dose than 8mg so I don’t know how well 2 mg as in the above product is for erection effects.Its working for the original poster so great for him.

Rite Aid PharmAssure also make a very strong standardized yohimbe product.Pretty sure it’s the same as GNC yohimbe product.They make the line for Rite Aid last I read. That one gave me heavy sides but it also gave me a serious boner! I would pass on this brand personally unless you really want to experience all the things the fear mongers warn you about.This one lives up to their concerns.If you use it.Don’t take it often.Once or twice a week at most?

Originally Posted by RootCap
djufo,

I felt I was reasonable with you in my original response to your post. I told you I disagree with you and I told you why.
I suggest that you might want to read some of the QUANTITY of other threads around here that also disagree with you.
Yes there are threads where others DO agree with your opinion on these supplements. Apparently others here agree that it would be the wiser person who read other members experiences before taking these supplements.

I did it for the benefit of the next person who might come along and read your post. It WAS irresponsible for you to make blanket statements about the use and safety of these supplements. Statements that another reader could construe as sound medical advice. Which it is not.

If you take that as a personal attack then I guess that’s your personal issue. Heck I’ve taken that stuff too. I’m one of the people that do have adverse reactions to it. You’re correct in saying that Doctors may recommend aspirin everyday, but that doesn’t make it absolutely safe for everyone now does it?

“Absolutely safe for everybody” is a statement that only you’ve made, TWICE now.

It looks like you were reasonable, yes. Reading back in the thread nobody questioned that.

As para-goomba posted from google, if you take a high dose of this herb, yes you’ll get benefits but at the same time you can get adverse effects. It can’t be more fool proof than that. To get the levels of yohimbine from bark extract, you need to take over 8 grams. That is clearily an overdose from any OTC yohimbe product. If you look at the list of ingredients of the poster, it contains yohimbe 2% extract 100mg. That is insignificant. Now if he tries to take 10 pills in one shot to get better effects, that is his problem. And is exactly the same with aspirin. It is safe for everybody. If anybody had an adverse effect from aspirin, that is a specific problem in that body reacting differently. For normal people, is safe.

I don’t see peanut butter banned in supermarkets just because some people is allergic to it. Peanut butter is available and safe for everybody; people who is allergic to it, is a personal problem and a defect in that body’s function, not the peanut butter being dangerous.

So using the power of reason, NEGATIVE. My statement was not irresponsible. Yohimbe bark is sage for everybody, and even more, like para-goomba posted again from google, the doses available in OTC products are so insignificant that most probably any result is placebo effect.

And about taking it personally, lol. I isolate those human emotional instincts. I do not take it personally. I absolutely understand that humans react emotionally before doing a process of reason and critical thinking.

I did the same statement for the THIRD time now.


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Hey Panthers, that is very interesting with those products. They are really advertising yohimbine HCL extract for weight loss and sexual function, but at the same time you can see anywhere in wikipedia or other sites that the HCL extract is sold by prescription in the U.S. Could be maybe a loophole in the laws of something? related with potency? who knows….but that leaves a big question mark for now. I’ll do some research.


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From the variety of reading I’ve done, Yohimbe at 2% (meaning 2% yohimbine, the active ingredient in yohimbe), is pretty safe for most folks.

The other ingredients listed are generally regarded as safe, excepting the occasional instance of individual allergic reaction; mostly oat straw and nettles (etc.) aren’t going hurt anyone.

Prescription strength yohimbe (yes, it does exist) is in the 8-14% yohimbine range, and that level of concentration can indeed exacerbate heart problems, and should be used with caution. Now that we have the Viagra-type drugs I don’t think the risk/benefit of prescription strength yohimbe is necessary.

I’ll also point out it is possible to overdose on just about anything.

It should be said that yohimbe taken in large doses can cause hallucinations and heart palpitation, but 2% Yohimbine extract as a small part of a supplement is rather minimal. Your mileage may vary of course, depending on your sensitivities.

Spring Valley seems to be a sort of budget supplement company. Their quality is probably fine and if it’s working for you I don’t see any harm in Super Goat Weed. You could do worse for $20. At least they tell you the amounts of the different ingredients and aren’t trying to scam you with a secret sauce proprietary blend - which is a sure sign of bullshit overpriced supplements.

Personally for this kind of thing I like Twin Labs Male Fuel, which can be purchased with or without yohimbe. It combines some of the usual suspect herbals with zinc, and arginine as well - so it covers more bases, and it’s reasonably priced (though not as cheap as a drug store brand like the Spring Valley line).

But again, if it’s working for you… Why the hell not?


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Originally Posted by djufo
And is exactly the same with aspirin. It is safe for everybody. If anybody had an adverse effect from aspirin, that is a specific problem in that body reacting differently. For normal people, is safe.

I don’t see peanut butter banned in supermarkets just because some people is allergic to it. Peanut butter is available and safe for everybody; people who is allergic to it, is a personal problem and a defect in that body’s function, not the peanut butter being dangerous.

“It’s safe for everybody, except for the people it’s not safe for.” ;)

dujufu, I believe there is a dosage loophole. Prescription dosage is 5.4 mg yohimbine per tablet/capsule. I’m thinking as long as its not 5.4mg they can sell it? PrimaForce is 2mg capsules. Ive seen another company offer 5mg capsules.Again, I did not derive any erection benefit from yohimbine HCL.I tried many dosages up to 20mg.I tried following the take 5.4mg(I took 6mg) 3 times a day as the prescription product recommends. I did that for 2 weeks. It had little effect at erection improvement.

Taking just one capsule of Twin Labs almost always(I would say 99% of the time) has a very real effect usually with in one hour after ingesting.About 2 hours if I eat first before taking.Its a good product and I never paid more than $7 a bottle of 60.Not sure of price now.

As for a product being so low it has no effect? I think there will be men that do respond to lower dosages of either yohimbine or yohimbe.I have never tried under 8mg capsules with yohimbe.I have taken 2 Twin labs at once and will not do that again.Its to much for me.2mg of the drug yohimbine did nothing for me.Not even up to 20mg.Not taking it everyday for a couple of weeks. I really do not think PrimaForce sold bunk yohimbine. The stuff is very cheap in bulk and readily available for these companies or anyone with the desire to purchase in those quantities.Back to point, some guys may do fine on 2-3 mg.Others may need 5mg.There may be a few larger men that need as much as 2 capsules?

Para-Goomba, I agree.Its not safe for everyone. One has to be responsible and investigate what can potentially go wrong.They have to decide if they are a bad candidate for its use,especially if they have certain health problems.

I would not recommend taking this product all the time.I don’t really have erection problems but I like to know what works for it and I’m 40 so I no longer have the 18 year olds abilities.Things like this do help me compete.
I personally believe (at least for me) that the herb product is pretty safe.Again, I would not take it every day. I did experiment with that and took it twice a day for 2 weeks but I don’t believe I needed that much.And because its pretty consistent,I really only need to take it about a hour before I want a boost.If one believes this herb is the devil.Don’t use it! You have made up your mind and that is fine.The herb works for me.I found a brand that is consistent with only minor sides.I would happily use it again if I choose to.

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
Your mileage may vary of course, depending on your sensitivities.

And that’s exactly the point I was trying to make. So the statement that “it’s safe for everyone” is a FALSE statement.
I never said it should be outlawed either. I said your statement was irresponsible. IT IS. What would have made it a responsible statement would have been to add; others milage may vary because some people HAVE had adverse reactions.

Don’t worry though, I took care of it for you. I also took care of my objective in this thread as well.

Horny Goat Weed and Yohimbe are nothing more than a poor mans gas and go alternative to Viagra anyways.
I get Viagra for free so why fuck myself up with cheap imitations. And NO, Viagra IS NOT safe for everyone.


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Originally Posted by RootCap
And that’s exactly the point I was trying to make. So the statement that “it’s safe for everyone” is a FALSE statement.
I never said it should be outlawed either. I said your statement was irresponsible. IT IS. What would have made it a responsible statement would have been to add; others milage may vary because some people HAVE had adverse reactions.

Don’t worry though, I took care of it for you. I also took care of my objective in this thread as well.

Horny Goat Weed and Yohimbe are nothing more than a poor mans gas and go alternative to Viagra anyways.
I get Viagra for free so why fuck myself up with cheap imitations. And NO, Viagra IS NOT safe for everyone.

Dude. I am telling you one more time in clear English. My statement is not FALSE. You are wrong, I am right. My statement is correct, and not irresponsible. Those herbs are safe for everybody (4th Time now, food for emotions). In medical terms, a headache or an upset stomach from a medicine, does not make it “unsafe”. And we are talking here about a couple dry bark and leafs. A headache from a cup of tea does not mean the end of the world. Unfortunatelly common sense is not that common in humans.

And saying that Horny Goat Weed and Yohimbe go alternative to Viagra, is a FALSE and irresponsible statement. Every single doctor in the world would agree.


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Originally Posted by djufo
Those herbs are safe for everybody.

I think the “everybody” part might be the problem with your claim, djufo.


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Yes, that is the problem for rootcap. I do not have a problem with it though. Is his opinion against mine, although he is the one trying to declare my statement as wrong and irresponsible. If anybody can provide medical studies claiming his position, please go ahead. I will gladly waste a couple minutes of my wonderful life to read that study, and as a charity for humanity, I would retract of my position if the “scientists” post the truth. :) At least I have the proof with myself, that using all those plants, can help maintain a healthy big johnson with tons of cum; and since my carbon unit is perfectly normal, then by logic, those herbs have to work for normal people. Unless they overdose.


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djufo what’s the deal here? Did RootCap hurt your feelings or something?

“Safe for everybody” is on the irresponsible side - it’s an unwise assumption. I don’t think that’s such a big deal to admit. We’re just talking here.

What’s true is those herbs are generally regarded as safe. If they are sold as supplements in a pharmacy or a supermarket (which they are), they aren’t likely to cause most people any problems, assuming the dosage guidelines are followed. Still, when offering an opinion about such things it isn’t a bad idea to measure your statements a bit. That’s all.

Originally Posted by djufo
Unfortunatelly common sense is not that common in humans.


I’ll say. About as unfortunate as insulting a moderator who’s just trying to look out for folks safety (and forgetting to spell check your post; Forum Guidelines. :leftie: )

I don’t think this a big enough issue to get into a pissing contest over. Why make it one?

So try to watch this kind of thing: You are wrong, I am right. It’s the wrong approach in a discussion thread. You know?

You don’t have to go to war to disagree with someone around here. Dial it back a notch or two.


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