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Screw The Fish Oil, Eat Your Chia Pet

Since marky got me going on Chia research, math and nutrition, when I should be doing my taxes, I have to now ask: Is Chia really a better source of Omega 3 than flax?

From what I can see, Chia oil has a higher percentage of ALA than Flax, but Flax has a higher oil content than Chia. So, for 100 grams of seed:

Flax: 42.7 grams oil x 55% omega 3 = 23.5 grams omega 3

Chia 34 grams oil x 64% omega 3 = 21.8 grams omega 3

Oil content of flaxseed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaxseed

Omega 3 content of seed oils:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_3


Horny Bastard

Originally Posted by mravg
Since marky got me going on Chia research, math and nutrition, when I should be doing my taxes, I have to now ask: Is Chia really a better source of Omega 3 than flax?

From what I can see, Chia oil has a higher percentage of ALA than Flax, but Flax has a higher oil content than Chia. So, for 100 grams of seed:

Flax: 42.7 grams oil x 55% omega 3 = 23.5 grams omega 3
Chia 34 grams oil x 64% omega 3 = 21.8 grams omega 3

Oil content of flaxseed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaxseed

Omega 3 content of seed oils:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_3

But from what I have read on flax, it is a pain in the ass. It has a horrible shelf life and tends to go rancid. And it is undigestible as a seed and must be ground. Once it is ground, it goes bad even faster.

Chia has a very long storage life and is digestible as a seed. Chia is also loaded with other nutritional goodies.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

I was going to ask the question how does chia taste? I know flax is nasty.


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I have been using Bobs Red Mill whole ground Flaxseed meal for some years now. You can buy it at Safeway here, or Trader Joes (half the price there, about 2 bucks for a pound), or many health food stores. I mix a tablespoon with a tablespoon of psyllium in a glass of water, before bed.

It is not exactly a delicious drink, but it doesn’t taste bad. It is just a bit gritty or “fiber-y”. The nutrition info on the bag says 2 tablespoons of flaxseed = 4.5 grams fat. if it is 55% omega 3, then one tablespoon is a little over a gram of omega three. I also take 4 grams fish oil per day.

I know about the shelf life problem, so I keep mine in the refrigerator. I’m not sure how much that helps. Most of what I have read talks about the sensitivity of the oil rather than the ground seeds. I also wonder, if the oil is that sensitive to degradation, why would it be more stable in a chia seed than in a flax seed, if it is the same oil?

Anyway, I like my little concoction of psyllium plus flax. It gives me fiber, soluble fiber which lowers cholesterol, omega 3’s, lignans(antioxidants), and keeps things flowing smoothly.


Horny Bastard


Last edited by mravg : 03-30-2008 at . Reason: changed red seal to red mill

Just want to put in my 2 cents.

When this article first came out, I went out and bought some Chia seeds, and started to take them. The biggest effect that was notable to me, was the effect it had on my skin.

I occasionally get some eczema, usually worse this time of year, and takes a long time go get rid of. I had few patches when I first took the chia, and it rapidly improved. I stopped taking it, my eczema came back. I started to take it again, and again it immediately started to clear. This satisfied me that it wasn’t a coincidence the first time.

I take fresh ground flax seed (its far cheaper to get flax seed, and grind it yourself in a coffee grinder then keep it in a sealed container in the fridge. Its good for a couple weeks) and it never improved my eczema, so this is a great find for me.

That’s a fantastic result sparkyx. I sure hope the therapeutic effect continues. How much chia are you eating per day and do you add it to any particular food?


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

Sparkyx,

is this the kind of red itchy spots that come with the cold? For me, they come when the relative humidity drops below a certain percentage, I mean like they break out in a matter of hours. Unfortunately they take longer to get rid of - I have small, small areas on my elbows and calves (go figure, I don’t get it). And then they disappear in summer?

If your’s is the same thing, I’ll go get me some chia.


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Originally Posted by gprent
That’s a fantastic result sparkyx. I sure hope the therapeutic effect continues. How much chia are you eating per day and do you add it to any particular food?

One tablespoon a day seems to do it. I have drunk it just in water, but lately I’ve just added it to my protein smoothie in the morning.

Originally Posted by mgus
Sparkyx,

is this the kind of red itchy spots that come with the cold? For me, they come when the relative humidity drops below a certain percentage, I mean like they break out in a matter of hours. Unfortunately they take longer to get rid of - I have small, small areas on my elbows and calves (go figure, I don’t get it). And then they disappear in summer?

If your’s is the same thing, I’ll go get me some chia.

Yes, red itcy spots, seems to want to show up on my face in my mustache, under the hair. It can then show up in other areas.

The Indians also used it for skin problems too, so this kind of confirms my findings.

Start with a small amount so you don’t spend a lot of money, but it really seems to be great for me.

Just an update.

I found that the Chia made my eczema clear, but after a few days I had it flair again, so I can’t say at this point it is a cure. It may be that there was a certain amount of conversion to some other beneficial compound like GLA.

Many of these conversions need a specific enzyme, and that enzyme becomes the limiting factor. At first you get a lot of conversion, but when the excess enzyme gets used up, the conversion goes down and the condition returns.

I am going to add some GLA from Evening Primrose oil and see what that does.

Hey Sparky.

Don’t you find your mood affects your skin condition, just as much as anything else?

Taken from http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/depression.html

Unavailability of Prostaglandin E1 and Depression
Another biochemical cause of depression is a genetic inability to manufacture enough prostaglandin E1 (PGE1), an important brain metabolite derived from essential fatty acids (EFAs). The problem is the result of an inborn deficiency in omega-6 essential fatty acid. Alcohol stimulates temporary production of PGE1 and lifts the depression.

If you have been depressed since childhood, your introduction to alcohol was probably an extreme relief. But this relief is short-lived. When you stop drinking, PGE1 levels fall again and depression returns. To banish it, you turn again to alcohol. Thus a deadly spiral begins toward alcoholism.

During the last fifteen years, researchers have learned to restore normal PGE1 levels in alcoholics and eliminate both the depression and the need to drink for relief. A substance called gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) is easily converted to PGE1. I have seen some amazing recoveries from depression within three weeks of GLA treatment. Take the case of Colleen, a high school English teacher:

Colleen described her childhood and teenage years as withdrawn and lonely, “I can’t remember not being depressed,” she told me. In college, she drank alcohol for the first time and received the shock of her young life. Her world brightened in a way she had never before experienced. She felt different. Friendly. Happy. The effects lingered into the next day, and then gloom closed in again. After experiencing the dramatic lift in her spirits, she was convinced that she had discovered a magic elixir in alcohol. In a short time she was drinking a few beers every day. The alcohol never failed to banish her depression.

As her college years passed, Colleen’s alcohol consumption escalated. She needed to drink more and more to get the lift she sought. She also began to experience deep depressions in the days following heavy drinking. After college, she began teaching high school English. Controlling her depression with alcohol became a real balancing act. Eventually, her drinking came to the attention of her peers and her students. Colleen was appalled at the idea that she was a problem drinker. She decided to prove she could live without alcohol. The next ten years were some of the most miserable of her life. She joined AA and sought psychiatric help for her severe depression. Sadly, no antidepressant drug relieved her misery. It was hard to keep teaching, hard to keep living.

Her depression had reached the suicidal stage when she reasoned that alcohol could put an end to her despair. Her decision to resume drinking didn’t take much reflection. Predictably, her alcohol intake began to escalate rapidly. This time, no one sympathized. Her principal ordered her to treatment. Three weeks after completing an inpatient program, she was back at employment and drinking again to medicate her depression. A second round of treatment left her temporarily dry and depressed. Colleen was on a merry-go-round she couldn’t get off. When she called the Health Recovery Center, she was crying, “I have alienated everyone because I won’t stay sober, but being drunk feels better than being depressed.”

I often think someone up there does watch over people, it seems more than coincidence that Colleen found her way to one of the few treatment centers in the country that would run tests and restore her chemistry to normal. Within three weeks, her depression had vanished. She no longer needed nor craved alcohol.

Colleen’s was a classic case of chronic depression caused by too little PGE1. Although alcohol blocks production of additional amounts of this metabolite, its active effect is to enhance what little is available in the brain. Eventually, a no-win situation develops and alcohol becomes the only way to prevent depression. The solution, of course, is to provide the brain with the PGE1 needed to reverse the depression. If your body can’t do this normally, you can correct the problem by taking gamma linolenic acid (GLA) in the form of Efamol ( a trade name for oil of evening primrose). The formula for EFA deficient depression (see table below) includes three supportive nutrients in addition to Efamol: zinc, needed for formation of gamma-linolenic acid (GLA); vitamin B6 for metabolism of cis-linolenic acid; and vitamin C, to increase production of PGE1. When you take GLA and its co-factors, depression magically lifts and won't return as long as you continue to take the formula. Colleen now uses this natural substance daily instead of alcohol, and her world has brightened up permanently.

Do You Have an EFA Deficiency?In his book “Essential Fatty Acids and Immunity in Mental Health, Charles Bates, Ph.D., provides a list of factors that suggest an essential fatty acid deficiency:

* Ancestry that is one-quarter or more Celtic, Irish, Scandinavian, native American, Welsh, or Scottish.
* A tendency to abuse alcohol or feel that it affects you differently from others; trouble with alcohol in your teenage years.
* Anxiety or depression during hangovers
* Depression among close relatives
* A family history of alcoholism, depression, suicide, schizophrenia, or other mental illness.
* Depression that persists while you are abstinent from alcohol.
* A personal or family history of Crohn’s disease, hepatic cirrhosis, cystic fibrosis, Sjogren-Larsson syndrome, atopic eczema.
* A personal or family history of ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel syndrome, premenstrual syndrome, scleroderma, diabetes, or benign breast disease.
* Experiencing an emotional lift from certain foods or vitamins.
* Winter depressions that lighten in the spring.

Formula for Depression due to EFA Deficiency

Nutrient Dose Directions
Efamol 500 mg 3 capsules, 3 times per day with meals (9 per day); can be reduced to 6 per day after 1 month
Zinc picolinate 20 mg 1 capsule with food
Vitamin B6 50 mg 1 capsule 3 times per day
Vitamin C 1000 mg 1 capsule per day
Niacin 100 mg 1 capsule with food daily


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