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Saw Palmetto,Penis Enlargement and DHT

Saw Palmetto,Penis Enlargement and DHT

Since starting to take Saw Palmetto(for my thinning hair) which I heard is also a sexual stimulant I have found a sharp decline in EQ.

I have heard saw palmetto being described as a aphrodisiac and such and thought it would safeguard against the side effects of my testosterone enhancing nutrients like L-Arginine and such but I feel like it’s shrunk.it just feels weaker.

This caused me to do a long investigation into nutrients and I would like some clarity on this for someone who has already gone threw this..

IS DHT the Desired chemical for penis enlargement?there are DHT gels for penis enlargement so that would suggest that DHT does make the penis grow.blocking DHT threw saw palmetto definitely makes it generally weaker..

And then there is that confusing Dr Lin ballooning stuff about DHT receptors and such in the penis.

For now I am cutting out the Saw Palmetto(except for that which is in my multi-vitamin which is probably minimal) and keeping up my testosterone enhancing regiment.

So DHT is good for penis enlargement but has the nasty side effect of enlarging the prostate and making you loose your hair?

Are you taking saw palmetto only or DHT in any form too? DHT will not make your penis bigger, by the way.

I’ve read a lot on this as well. I will try to dig up a few articles. From what I have read, DHT contributes to erection quality and hardness, though not necessarily size. In other words, it doesn’t necessarily change the amount of blood the penis can hold, but instead will allow the penis to become more fully engorged.

Saw Palmetto is kind of a double-edged sword. It is good for the prostate, and some studies suggest it is good for the health of sperm as well. Some say it improves orgasms and semen volume. But it’s DHT reducing effects can reduce erection hardness in some users.

As I said, if I can find any articles, I’ll post them up. But this is the gist of what I’ve learned so far.

No I’m just taking saw palmetto,or was.

DHT I only heard of as a negative.
The reason I was curious about DHT as I found there are DHT topical gels that have been proven to increase size,infact it is a treatment for micro penis(a medical condition).

So DHT is a factor in penis enlargement.

The way I feel after taking saw palmetto is “why bother” I’m totally unmotivated by PE and sex in general.definitly save it for when my hair starts clumping out or I have to pee every 15 seconds (prostate cancer does run on my fathers side.both dad and grandfather had it.)

In my case saw palmetto would be a no-no because of it’s effects on DHT which I am not particularly sensitive to.

HOwever I am sure that there are spome folk on this forum who are better versed with the aspects of Saw Palmetto I know
some of the folk who steroid cycles supplement with saw palmetto so as to counter too much DHT build up.


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From what I can tell it is case sensitive.I mean if you have to much testosterone then it would be a good option I imagine for health concerns.for me I have about 100 pounds of extra body fat which leads to higher estrogen levels and such. If your perfectly and such I would imagine your natural Test/DHT levels would be higher,leading to better EQ and probably better PE gain.

Originally Posted by Phenyo
In my case saw palmetto would be a no-no because of it’s effects on DHT which I am not particularly sensitive to.

HOwever I am sure that there are spome folk on this forum who are better versed with the aspects of Saw Palmetto I know
some of the folk who steroid cycles supplement with saw palmetto so as to counter too much DHT build up.

That is correct sir, to avoid prostate hypertrophy (and possibly pain), as well as maintain semen volume (which in some men decreases while on a steroid cycle).

In my reading, each man has a finite number of DHT (from Testosterone derivation) receptors in his penis as allowed by, or subscribed by, his genetic make-up. Those receptors are applied fully in adolescence and after fully used up, or subscribed, that’s it! The only exception to future growth would be if an adolescent, by some form of hypogonadism was denied sufficient DHT, so when supplied exogenously later on ,he might grow his dick a little more.

PE, then has to do mainly with altering the cells you have rather than increasing the number of them by much.
The argument that Saw Palmetto will effect DHT and thus penis growth is, I think, bogus. Anyone care to add to this?

Howardson

Other then saw palmetto I’m just taking omega 3’s/primrose PGE-1 enhancing supplements.

I assumed it was the saw palmetto that is sapping my libido.

Has anyone here achieved PE while taking Saw palmetto?if it works by preventing dht from binding to receptors (such as in the prostate/hair) why wouldn’t it do the same thing to the penis?

There are two main types of DHT conversion that herbal medicines are used to block..they rely on different enzymes or different chemical processes with different locations.

Saw Palmetto, AFAIK, doesn’t have anything to do with the follicle-based DHT conversion, it only prevents the Prostate-based DHT conversion. I think stinging nettle, Pine Bark Extract, Resveratrol….topical-scalp-applications of Menthol, and L-limonene (from mint and rosemary)….these are the ones which have an effect on the follicle -based DHT conversion. I stay away from Saw Palmetto, except the small amount that is included in my 3thrice daily liquid multi-vitamin.

I get my prostate protection from lots of tomato sauce and stews with tomatoes in my diet.


Current size: BPEL: 7.9" EG: 6.75"

Realistic goal: BPEL: 9.25" EG: 7.5"

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I’ve noticed that I seemed to break through a plateau about the same time I ran out of saw palmetto. Is anyone aware of a connection or is it just coincidence?

Originally Posted by 8 x 8
There are two main types of DHT conversion that herbal medicines are used to block..they rely on different enzymes or different chemical processes with different locations.

Saw Palmetto, AFAIK, doesn’t have anything to do with the follicle-based DHT conversion, it only prevents the Prostate-based DHT conversion. I think stinging nettle, Pine Bark Extract, Resveratrol….topical-scalp-applications of Menthol, and L-limonene (from mint and rosemary)….these are the ones which have an effect on the follicle -based DHT conversion. I stay away from Saw Palmetto, except the small amount that is included in my 3thrice daily liquid multi-vitamin.

I get my prostate protection from lots of tomato sauce and stews with tomatoes in my diet.

DHT is produced from testosterone interacting with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. Saw Palmetto is a mild 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. 5-alpha reductase inhibitors simply do that, they inhibit that enzyme. They are not selective to one area of the body.

Stinging nettle, pine bark, and resveratrol work as 5-alpha reductase inhibitors as well.

Hope this info is helpful.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

Current measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current goal: BPEL: 9in EG: 7in

Hmm I wasn’t aware of resveratrol as being a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. I am also taking marine pine bark.So maybe to much was causing it?either way when I stopped taking saw palmetto I found my libido came back but at this point I haven’t gained any erect size,Flaccid is great I am nearly 2/3 my erect size when flaccid now but my EL and size has seemed to hit a platue.I think I need to up my stretching as my Hardness is off the charts which from my understanding means my smooth muscle is inhibited by my tunica.

Originally Posted by setiamon
Hmm I wasn’t aware of resveratrol as being a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. I am also taking marine pine bark.So maybe to much was causing it?either way when I stopped taking saw palmetto I found my libido came back but at this point I haven’t gained any erect size,Flaccid is great I am nearly 2/3 my erect size when flaccid now but my EL and size has seemed to hit a platue.I think I need to up my stretching as my Hardness is off the charts which from my understanding means my smooth muscle is inhibited by my tunica.

Yea man, resveratrol/grape seed extract has a lot of nice little uses. :-)

I seriously doubt any of these supplements are holding back your gains, to be honest. As long as your EQ is coming back to you, I would just continue doing what you’re doing.

I think adding more stretching may be a good idea, I think you’re on the right track with that.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

Current measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current goal: BPEL: 9in EG: 7in

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