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Pure IGF solutions deer antler velvet.

@Tooty, thanks for the4 response with the iodine, I’ve heard that iodine also helps break down scar tissue and promotes healthy blood flow, so its always a nice addition imo.

I’m by far no chem expert, nor do I pretend to be lol, the only reason I know a little about transdermals is because of bodybuilding, and even tho I never went with the trasdermal formulas, many did, with great results, proving transdermal applications work, question is only gonna be what compounds work with it.

Also, IGF is a very sensitive peptide and many think that rubbing it in would kill the peptide.

I’m looking into delivery systems that can handle molecular weight over 500.

Thanks workingonitnow.

I’d like to report excellent EQ this morning. I rate it a 9 of 10. Been having 7&8 recently so it’s a plus.

Been reading up on the transdermal and some other people have reiterated your views on the molecule being too large to pass transdermally. The better EQ this morning was probably due to the DMSO only as it is a vasodilator. I also thought DMSO made membranes more porous and worked that way as well as being a carrier solution.

Three questions though, why is it that the pure solutions IGF seems to absorb orally sublingual rather than through the skin? Maybe mucosa of the mouth are more porous? Would DMSO increase absorption orally?

After a few rounds of the topical application I think I will switch to an oral application.


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

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Last edited by tootyfisty : 07-24-2012 at .

@Tooty;

Great to hear back, I am thinking of throwing DMSO on just for the vasodilator alone to help with Jelqs, so great to here EQ is better already.

Yeah, Transdermals are new science and they are still looking for ways to get the higher molecular weights absorbed transdermally.

Q: “why is it that the pure solutions IGF seems to absorb orally sublingual rather than through the skin?”
A: This is unproven also, many people do not feel IGF sublingually works. The peptide passing through the intestines/stomach just won’t survive. There might be an increase in IGF, but IGF is already produced in the Kidneys.

Q: Maybe mucosa of the mouth are more porous? W
A: Will read into it more. There are some “steroids” that are taken sublingually, but those specifc steroids are specifically formulated to survive the intestinal track.

Q: Would DMSO increase absorption orally?
A: DMSO is tricky, too much will leave a taste in your mouth, etc. I would use DMSO only as a “transporter” and its vasolidation properties.

During Chem PE, our (I believe yours too) focus is to break down and unlink the collagen better/faster then manual PE would and combined with PE, really help things along.

I am trying to find more things that can do this to the collagen. PGE-1, Praba are all supposed to weaken/unlink collagen.

PGE-1, also will cause Priapism, and I just saw that it’s molecular weight is only 354.48. Meaning this CAN and WILL work trasdermally. This would cause an erection that lasts 2-4 hours, pushing the penis/CC to it’s limits and also has collagen unlinking properties.

I can imagine, a GREAT Transdermal would be Potabo/PGE.

Potaba Molecular Weight is only 175.
PGE Molecular Weight is only 354
Still under the “500 Molecular Weight combined”

http://www.chemfinder.com/chembiofi…&CurrentIndex=0

I googled PE and priapism and there is a matters of size forum post regarding what you are talking about. Looks like a lot of potential there.
Mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?61501-PGE1-and-length&p=423545#post423545

Sounds like an experiment is in order.


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Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

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Somebody had to have done that experiment already though.


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Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

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@Tooty, it seems we are the only crazy ones doing some research OR people with the answers just want to be PAID for it.

It looks like prapism (if controlled) would force the erection over 105% and many people have actually reported being sore and fatigued afterwards.

The PGE/Potaba are both able to used transdermally for you experiments since you are trying to avoid the needle.

The experiment I want to try would be, IGF/PGE Mix. I believe that some PGE would force the 110% erection and after the erection has subsided, inject IGF DES. This would be like a “mini workout” and the IGF would bind specifically to the “injured” areas in the penis.

Potaba would be used for un-linking the collagen, but not many have had success.

The one thing that DOES scare me with the PGE is getting mentally dependant on it. Having a 110% erection with PGE and then going to a 80-100% with my GF would be a mental battle.

As we discuss I’m betting more and more chime in.

Yeah, it’s already a mental battle going from 100% to 80-90% on a day with heavy fatigue. Just take it slow and let’s see what happens.


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

Death is real, it comes without warning and it cannot be escaped, therefore, Penis Enlargement

Yes Sir..

Will Do.. Now its time for me to find some PGE1/Caverject/Potaba for a nice price. IGF I can already obtain cheap enough to try. The only thing that spooks me with the IGF is when you store it, it needs to be stored in Acidic Acid, rather then BAC/Sterile Water.

The Acidic Acid, can kill tissue, but I do not think it is a concern honestly.

Hey Tooty, do you think we should start a new thread and title it different? Maybe we can get some more interest since we arent going with the deer velvet lol.

I’m thinking: Chem PE Users Unite: IGF / PGE-1 (Caverject)/DMSO/Potaba - Lets figure what works!

Originally Posted by workingonitnow
Yes Sir..

Will Do.. Now its time for me to find some PGE1/Caverject/Potaba for a nice price. IGF I can already obtain cheap enough to try. The only thing that spooks me with the IGF is when you store it, it needs to be stored in Acidic Acid, rather then BAC/Sterile Water.

The Acidic Acid, can kill tissue, but I do not think it is a concern honestly.

Hey Tooty, do you think we should start a new thread and title it different? Maybe we can get some more interest since we arent going with the deer velvet lol.

I’m thinking: Chem PE Users Unite: IGF / PGE-1 (Caverject)/DMSO/Potaba - Lets figure what works!

Sure go ahead and start another thread. I’m going to keep posting here until I use up this bottle of deer antler velvet.


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

Death is real, it comes without warning and it cannot be escaped, therefore, Penis Enlargement

Worked out last night.

Applied topically
7 drops pure solutions deer antler velvet extract.
5 drops DMSO
Gently rubbed all over including glans and scrotum.

Waited 5 minutes.

Did my current normal routine of 30 minutes manual exercises.

Good expansion and stretch.

Measurements
EL 7.3”
FSL 7.75” (this is an improvement from anything previous)
EG 5.6” (also an improvement)

Flaccid hang is much plumper all day. Very pleased with results so far. Morning wood is very strong and EQ is the best it’s been in a couple months, nearly 100%


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

Death is real, it comes without warning and it cannot be escaped, therefore, Penis Enlargement

OMG it might be working

Wow!! That’s what I said when I applied this morning.

12 drops deer antler, let dry (mild response and a cooling sensation due to alcohol)
12 drops DMSO

BAM! Instant erection, and it felt big. I had to measure.
7.3” x 5.3”
I hadn’t even done a jelq yet. So it was hard and I decided to do hand clamps. I made a ton of precum and edged while getting a good clamp. 20 minutes in and I measured the girth
MEG 5.5”

So like I said, WOW! I did another ten minutes and measured again.

EL 7.5” solid
EG 5.6”

This is great! I’m super stoked. Yesterday I sat around the house and gently stretched my flaccid kind of like a manual ADS and my flaccid hang still was good this morning. My morning wood was strong but nothing like the erection described above. I’ve been doing this application about every 36 hours so I’ll continue and report results.


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

Death is real, it comes without warning and it cannot be escaped, therefore, Penis Enlargement

As a side effect I noticed today was an elevated heart rate for the first 3-4 minutes. Nothing too serious but it was a pretty good rush in the beginning. Not sure if it’s normal but was a little disconcerting.


Start (aug '09) 6x5

Current [(AUG'10) 7 x 5.25] [(OCT'10) 7.25 x 5.3] [(OCT'12) 7.5 x 5.5]

Death is real, it comes without warning and it cannot be escaped, therefore, Penis Enlargement

Great!!! Keep us informed. This is a great start!

Hm, can you explain what you mean by your elevated heart rate? First 3-4 minutes of what?

Originally Posted by jellogecko

Hm, can you explain what you mean by your elevated heart rate? First 3-4 minutes of what?

The first three to four minutes immediately after application my heart rate went up a lot. Estimating into the 120-130 bpm. Not serious but worth noting.


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