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If the only thing required for a larger penis was more testosterone and growth hormone, the vast majority of bodybuilders in the world would be hung like horses. In my past I have used injectable testosterone, injectable growth hormone, and transdermal DHT for bodybuilding purposes. All three have been touted by some to increase the size of the penis. I assure you, they do not. At least not for post-adolescent males. In adolescents or prepubescents it may be effective, I can’t comment on that.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

Originally Posted by marinera
Sure. Sound as fables. Has PRP ever shown to be able to grow healthy human organs? Growth factors proliferation is seen in inflammed bodyparts. Hit your penis with an hammer, and after a while the concentration of growth factors will be higher than in other bodyparts. There will be no growth though - at least if you don’t call ‘growth’ swelling and hematoma.

And according to a study previously posted, a too high concentration of growth factors could be even detrimental to healing.


That is exactly how I believe jelqing works. Smooth muscle is known to hypertrophy in response to mechanical strain, hypertension and various forms of injury. The hypertophic response is probably mediated by growth factors.

I think that injury-response (or possibly hypertension) is the most convincing way to explain jelqing gains.

I don’t believe that the tunica enlarges and the CC expands to fill the space.

I agree that testosterone and HGH into your muscles or subcutaneous fat will not enlarge the penis.

But in terms of injecting HGH, IGF, whatever, directly into the penis, I could see it happen, albeit much smaller than when it happens during puberty (this is JUST my opinion)

Sounds like this runnels guy is a dipshit though.

I am actually tempted to try this myself. I am considering buying the centrifuge and the other stuff online (from a medical supplier). I would give myself daily injections for a few months.

That is just another crazed thought in my mind at this stage. I would have to do more research first.

I am also considering paying a contract research organisation (CRO) to experiment on animals.

I’m not sure if you guys are saying PRP is baseless but it is actually legit. I’m not sure how it would apply to PE but for other things like knee/elbow/ankle injuries it is the next best thing to surgery. And when used as a preventative or for joint strengthening it is as good as it gets.

Sometimes a mixture of the blood platelets and colostrum is used. Others use just a saline solution to somehow cause a reaction that leads to tissue repair.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
I agree that testosterone and HGH into your muscles or subcutaneous fat will not enlarge the penis.

But in terms of injecting HGH, IGF, whatever, directly into the penis, I could see it happen, albeit much smaller than when it happens during puberty (this is JUST my opinion)

Sounds like this runnels guy is a dipshit though.

Being that my way of speaking seems to lead people to believe I am being sarcastic, or being a jerk- I want to preface this by saying that is not my intention at all. Simply sharing some information. Nothing more and nothing less. That said:

Injecting testosterone into your penis will not go well. I guarantee you that. At very least you are looking at a lot of swelling at the site of injection. Within the realm of possibility are some major issues. The reason for this is that all reliable, accepted testosterone preparations that are made for humans are either transdermal (applied to the skin, and mixed with a carrier to help it penetrate the skin), or injectable. The injectables are either oil-based or water-based, and are designed for intramuscular injection (sometimes still used subcutaneously). Injecting them directly into the bloodstream is bad juju.

Here is a study that doesn’t SEEM applicable on the surface, but it actually is. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9865244

See, most oil-based steroids use vegetable oil carriers, such as peanut oil, flaxseed oil, safflower oil, grapeseed oil, etc. It’s the carrier oil that causes the potentially major problems.

HGH has to be processed by the liver to be effective. It’s results are systemic. In other words, in the body; injection into the penis is no different than injection into your abdomen: except the location of the wound from the injection.

There is a lot of debate over pure IGF-1. But I would say the majority of the evidence points to it’s results being systemic as well. In fact, one of the most widely accepted forms of IGF-1 is IGF-1LR3. The LR3 is an amino acid chain that extends the life if IGF-1 in the body, so it can reach more tissues in the body before becoming inactive. IGF-1’s major role in the body is actually healing. Most studies show IGF-1 only promotes growth and cell proliferation with growth stimulus (something has to break the tissue down). Injured tissue is what really draws IGF-1’s attention. I’m not sure anything we do actually produces the amount of stimulus necessary to increase IGF-1 receptor activity- especially in smooth muscle in the penis. Skeletal muscle, and digestive organs are where you will find the highest amount of IGF-1 binding activity.

The only studies I have found with IGF-1 and the penis is in rats, and the IGF-1 was given subcutaneously. For IGF-1 to elicit it’s effects it has to bind to a receptor. Even if you find some way to “keep” the IGF-1 in the penis, it’s still useless if the receptors aren’t present.

If you would like scientific references for those statements, let me know. I will be glad to give them to you so you can check the stuff out. To me it’s really cool stuff. I love Biology… and Chemistry… and most things “science”. :)


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

Its not just a filler, it actually caused more volume in your penis overall, thats the best way to concieve of it. And its really PRFM we are talking about Sir know alot, which comes from PRP. I try to keep cool but you dont.

And about the DHT and HGH method, he said it works and I have seen indian studies about the same. The difference is the cost and the time, the DHT\HGH methods is supposed to work but take a got deal longer.

The principles are sound London dont totally listen to the talker… He makes various points but the issue is not one sided as you have seen. Thanks for keeping a properly open mind even though you think the doc is a fraud…

I think the PRFM activates the receptors when acitvated. Its replicating an injury at the site of injection which would attrack IGF-1, but if it activates the receptors I need to verify but I think it does off hand.

One injectable I find incredible is TB4, it really impacts my refractory period and keeps me going and feeling alive and needing it from my wife and when we do I get really going and my payloads are the biggest I have every had in my whole life! I normally have a small to modest payload but not on TB4 it just goes off the charts! Not to mention gives me a much fuller volume. The measurements I took were before I tried TB4, which I had more of it.

Originally Posted by Bruna
I’m not sure if you guys are saying PRP is baseless but it is actually legit. I’m not sure how it would apply to PE but for other things like knee/elbow/ankle injuries it is the next best thing to surgery. And when used as a preventative or for joint strengthening it is as good as it gets.

Sometimes a mixture of the blood platelets and colostrum is used. Others use just a saline solution to somehow cause a reaction that leads to tissue repair.


Baseless, not. As already showed, basic research on animals lead to think that could be useful in some cases. But at the next level, promises have been betrayed. Sham solution or saline solution showed as effective than PRP - sometimes better, actually. At the present, PRP therapy is like any other quack therapy you can find out there (magnets, ipnosis, drinking urine, meditation….), for which some people swear it is effective because, simply said, people can believe anything will work and if they believe, at some degreee it will work.

References were given earlier in this very same thread; some more:

“Expert Opin Biol Ther. 2011 Apr;11(4):509-18. Epub 2011 Feb 1.

Platelet rich plasma therapies for sports muscle injuries: any evidence behind clinical practice?
Andia I, Sánchez M, Maffulli N.

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No PRP formulation has yet displayed proven solid evidence for the stimulation of healing and recovery after sports muscle injuries”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21281261

“Clin J Sport Med. 2011 Jan;21(1):37-45.
Platelet-rich plasma treatment for ligament and tendon injuries.
Paoloni J, De Vos RJ, Hamilton B, Murrell GA, Orchard J.

….few randomized controlled clinical trials have assessed the efficacy of PRP injections and none have demonstrated scientific evidence of efficacy. “
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21200169

“Br Med Bull. 2010;95:63-77. Epub 2010 Mar 2.
Autologous growth factor injections in chronic tendinopathy: a systematic review.
de Vos RJ, van Veldhoven PL, Moen MH, Weir A, Tol JL, Maffulli N.

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only three studies using autologous whole blood had a high methodological quality assessment, and none of them showed any benefit of an autologous growth factor injection when compared with a control group. At present, there is strong evidence that the use of injections with autologous whole blood should not be recommended.
…”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20197290

“Rev Med Suisse. 2011 Aug 10;7(304):1533-7.
[Treatment of tendinopathies: role for autologous platelet-rich plasma injections].
[Article in French]
Ziltener JL, Allet L, Grosclaude M.
Source

Unité de médecine physique et rééducation orthopédique, Service d’orthopédie et traumatologie de I’appareil moteur, Geneve 14. jean-luc.ziltener@hcuge.ch
Abstract

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The use of autologous blood injections for the management of chronic human tendinopathies can currently not be recommended.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21919391

“Am J Sports Med. 2011 Aug;39(8):1623-9. Epub 2011 May 21.
One-year follow-up of platelet-rich plasma treatment in chronic Achilles tendinopathy: a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial.
de Jonge S, de Vos RJ, Weir A, van Schie HT, Bierma-Zeinstra SM, Verhaar JA, Weinans H, Tol JL.
Source

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This randomized controlled trial showed no clinical and ultrasonographic superiority of platelet-rich plasma injection over a placebo injection in chronic Achilles tendinopathy at 1 year combined with an eccentric training program.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21602565

Br J Sports Med. 2011 Sep;45(12):966-71. Epub 2011 Mar 15.
Growth factor-based therapies ………

Elbow tendinopathy patients who had failed conservative physical therapy were divided into two patient groups: PRP injection (N=80) and autologous blood injection (ABI) (N=70). Each patient received two injections at 0 and 1 month. Patient-related tennis elbow evaluation (PRTEE) was recorded by a blinded investigator at 0, 1, 3 and 6 months. The main outcome measure was PRTEE, a validated composite outcome for pain, activities of daily living and physical function, utilising a 0-100 scale.
RESULTS:

At 6 months the authors observed a 66% success rate in the PRP group versus 72% in the ABI group, p=NS. There was a higher rate of conversion to surgery in the ABI group (20%) versus the PRP group (10%).
….”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21406450

“Br J Sports Med. 2011 Apr;45(5):387-92. Epub 2010 Nov 3.
No effects of PRP on ultrasonographic tendon structure and neovascularisation in chronic midportion Achilles tendinopathy.
de Vos RJ, Weir A, Tol JL, Verhaar JA, Weinans H, van Schie HT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21047840

Use of a ‘preventative or for joint strenghtening’ that is really baseless, by what I know.

Originally Posted by london100

That is exactly how I believe jelqing works. Smooth muscle is known to hypertrophy in response to mechanical strain, hypertension and various forms of injury. ….

Jelqing stretches the tunica. Tunica envelopes corpora cavernosa, constraining expansion. Stretch the tunica, enlarge the penis. So true that hangers report base girth gains - how would that be possible, since hanging doesn’t act at all on smooth muscle?

You have not posted any pictures yet.

We don’t mind you coming here to share you experience. If anything we here at TP, as a group of men who believe that penis enlargement is possible, would be far more open to believing your claims than another demographic, but please be aware that we have seen a lot of bogus claims come and go over the years, and will not be convinced by cheap diversion tactics, name calling, biased studies, etc.

I don’t care if you are a gorilla marketer for some quack doctor IF you can prove to us that you had a positive experience through photographic evidence or otherwise. We understand that just because something is new and controversial does not mean that it is B.S. But, just so you know, your method is not at all convincing.


Starting (10 / 2006): 5.8~BPEL, 5~BG ----> Current: 7.6 BPEL, 5.6 BG ----> Goal: Pringles Can

Originally Posted by marinera
Jelqing stretches the tunica. Tunica envelopes corpora cavernosa, constraining expansion. Stretch the tunica, enlarge the penis. So true that hangers report base girth gains - how would that be possible, since hanging doesn’t act at all on smooth muscle?

You are arguing for an outside-in process. I am arguing for an inside-out process.

They have done in vitro studies which demonstrate that smooth muscle can hypertrophy in response to prolonged tension.

The smooth muscle of the tunica is stressed by the tension and hypertrophies in three dimensions. This subsequently forces the tunica to expand.

Your outside-in theory cannot be right. The tension on the tunica during hanging is only in one direction. There are forces pulling the tunica downwards. There are no forces encouraging the tunica to gain in girth. The only possible explanation for girth gains during hanging is hypertrophy of the tissue inside the tunica.

The sole explanation is that TA is stretched. Being stretched axially gives more room for circumfenrential expansion. No in vitro studies has shown that smooth muscle hypertrophy leads to bigger penis size, whereas surgery using tunica grafting without increasing smooth muscle content leads to big gains in size.

“The smooth muscle of the tunica”? You don’t have even clear what you are speaking of.

Thank you Thunder!!

Sorry for the out of context post but, seriously, thanks.

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