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HCG also mimics the action of luteinising hormone in men. The effect of this in men is to *stimulate production of the male hormone, testosterone. Http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002130.html

ANDRACTIM It works by *correcting the hormone deficiency, either in a particular part of the body or affecting the body as a whole. Http://www.ich.ucl.ac.uk/gosh_famil…l_families.html

The two key words here is *(stimulate production of hormones in HCG) and *(and correcting the hormone deficiency in ANDRACTIM)

If you used andractim on it’s own before without HCG means you only tried to correct hormone deficiency if you do not have hormone deficiency then the effect is placebo. When you add HCG you send a signal on your testes to produce more testosterone; because andractim is DHT your higher new level of testosterone will not convert to DHT simple because is already up. Unlikely anabolic steroids they won’t convert to estrogen.

The formula here is: HIGHER testosterone + HIGHER Dihydrotestosterone -estrogen = penis growth

Just research on how the penis grow during puberty. The formula is exactly the same as above


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The formula here is that more testosterone after puberty doesn’t make the penis bigger. HCG has been used for a long time by bodybuilders hand in hand with testostorene to avoid testicular atrophy and no bodybuilder has experiencied penis growth - at most you can have a reduced bodyfat that can give some more NBPL, but BPL will remain the same.

You are reinventing the wheel and are blind to the first hand experience of those who already tried what you do suggest.

Originally Posted by marinera
The formula here is that more testosterone after puberty doesn’t make the penis bigger. HCG has been used for a long time by bodybuilders hand in hand with testostorene to avoid testicular atrophy and no bodybuilder has experiencied penis growth - at most you can have a reduced bodyfat that can give some more NBPL, but BPL will remain the same.

You are reinventing the wheel and are blind to the first hand experience of those who already tried what you do suggest.

How do you expect bodybuilders to gain inches after high dosage of poison AAS cycle? They inject anabolics such: deca, dianabol, Sustanon 250, Testosterone Enanthate at very higher dosage which we all know it shut down natural test and shrink the testicles and dick. Then, they only use HCG after steroids cycle for period of 2-3 weeks for PCT not for PE.

For penis enlargement HCG needs to be inject at least 3 months in combination with andractim which result on Higher testosterone and higher dihydrotestosterone

Here a study..

Abstract
The concentrations of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone was determined in the human testis at different stages of sexual development, in patients with undescended testis or in subjects who had been treated for acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Patients were divided in three groups, prepubertal (Tanner’s stage I), early puberty (Tanner’s stages 2+3) and late puberty (Tanner’s stages 4 + 5). Even though tubular diameter and serum testosterone followed the expected gradual rise during sexual maturation, testicular testosterone increased abruptly at early puberty, resulting in a high testicular: serum testosterone ratio at this stage. The testicular dihydrotestosterone: testosterone ratio was also high at early puberty. These data suggest that, at initiation of sexual development, seminiferous tubules receive a high androgen load, at a time when other androgen target organs are barely http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc…7b434b45763ba0a


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Originally Posted by marinera
The formula here is that more testosterone after puberty doesn’t make the penis bigger. HCG has been used for a long time by bodybuilders hand in hand with testostorene to avoid testicular atrophy and no bodybuilder has experiencied penis growth - at most you can have a reduced bodyfat that can give some more NBPL, but BPL will remain the same.

You are reinventing the wheel and are blind to the first hand experience of those who already tried what you do suggest.


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Originally Posted by horsedick99
How do you expect bodybuilders to gain inches after high dosage of poison AAS cycle? They inject anabolics such: deca, dianabol, Sustanon 250, Testosterone Enanthate at very higher dosage which we all know it shut down natural test and shrink the testicles and dick. .
…..


First, it doesn’t shut down the dick at all -another false claim. Second, before their natural production is shut down, and while they are on androgens, their testosterone levels are much higher than normal, so in your hypothesis their penis should grow - which doesn’t happens.

Originally Posted by horsedick99
…. Then, they only use HCG after steroids cycle for period of 2-3 weeks for PCT not for PE.
…..


This is actually false. They start taking HCG while still taking androgens; actually, the current trend is to start taking HCG at the same time they start taking androgens.

About your link, yet another excerpt that refers to people who aren’t adults. It’s time to ask: how old are you, Horsedick? Why you are so maniacal about something that can only (maybe) grow your penis if you are still in the pubescent phase?

Originally Posted by Tossed Salad

Your avatar is perfect for this thread :)

Haha, yeah and some others threads also.

Originally Posted by marinera
First, it doesn’t shut down the dick at all -another false claim. .

Have you got any prove or link to support your statement ?

Originally Posted by marinera

This is actually false. They start taking HCG while still taking androgens; actually, the current trend is to start taking HCG at the same time they start taking androgens.

You are actually saying is “false” without any back up information. If can inject in the begining of the cycle it still be the same anabolics are anabolics.

I am not talk about anabolics here but androgens


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Hey Horsedick, it’s you that should backup your claims not me : you say something makes your penis bigger, you do have the burden of proof. Actually, DHT and steroids users have reported many times around here that these don’t work for growing the penis, so I’m much more near to give you a negative proof than you giving a positive proof.

Testosterone is both anabolic and androgenic and is the basic compound used by bodybuilders and powerlifters. Sustanon, that you mentioned, is a mixed testosterone compound, so it is both androgenic and anabolic. It seems that you don’t know what you are speaking of.


Last edited by marinera : 08-05-2010 at .

Originally Posted by marinera
Hey Horsedick, it’s you that should backup your claims not me : you say something makes your penis bigger, you do have the burden of proof. Actually, DHT and steroids users have reported many times around here that these don’t work for growing the penis, so I’m much more near to give you a negative proof than you giving a positive proof.

Testosterone is both anabolic and androgenic and is the basic compound used by bodybuilders and powerlifters. Sustanon, that you mentioned, is a mixed testosterone compound, so it is both androgenic and anabolic. It seems that you don’t know what you are speaking of.

I guess you are mixing things up. There is a difference between AAS (Anabolic-androgenic steroids) and AS (Androgenic steroids) they are not they same.

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are *SYNTHETICALLY produced variants of the naturally occurring male sex hormone testosterone. “Anabolic” refers to muscle-building, and “androgenic” refers to increased male sexual characteristics. “Steroids” refers to the class of drugs. Http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/steroids.html

*SYNTHETICALLY means Chemistry Produced by synthesis, especially not of natural origin. Http://www.thefreedictionary.com/synthetically

“Anabolic” refers to muscle-building,

Androgen, also called androgenic hormones or testoids, (AS) is the generic term for any *NATURAL or SYNTHETIC compound, usually a steroid hormone, that *STIMULATES or controls the development and maintenance of male characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen

*STIMULATES To arouse a body or a responsive structure to increased functional activity. Http://medical-dictionary.thefreedi.com/stimulates.

ANDRACTIM is considered as androgenic hormone not anabolic http://www.medterms.com/script/main.rticlekey=33416

Anabolics are used and abused mostly by bodybuilders and androgenic like HCG that stimulate the testes and ANDRACTIM are used in childream simple becuase they are not anabolics http://www.ich.ucl.ac.uk/gosh_famil.l_families.html


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“Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group….
In general, androgens promote protein synthesis and growth of those tissues with androgen receptors. Testosterone effects can be classified as virilizing and anabolic, although the distinction is somewhat artificial, as many of the effects can be considered both. Testosterone is anabolic, meaning it builds up bone and muscle mass.

* Anabolic effects include growth of muscle mass and strength, increased bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth and bone maturation.
* Androgenic effects include maturation of the sex organs, particularly the penis and the formation of the scrotum in the fetus, and after birth (usually at puberty) a deepening of the voice, growth of the beard and axillary hair. Many of these fall into the category of male secondary sex characteristics.
…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

“Sustanon 250 is a trade name for an oil-based injectable blend of four esterized testosterone compounds:

* 30mg Testosterone Propionate
* 60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
* 60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
* 100mg Testosterone Decanoate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustanon

I guess you don’t understand what you read or you don’t read at all.

Originally Posted by marinera
“Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group..
In general, androgens promote protein synthesis and growth of those tissues with androgen receptors. Testosterone effects can be classified as virilizing and anabolic, although the distinction is somewhat artificial, as many of the effects can be considered both. Testosterone is anabolic, meaning it builds up bone and muscle mass.

* Anabolic effects include growth of muscle mass and strength, increased bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth and bone maturation.
* Androgenic effects include maturation of the sex organs, particularly the penis and the formation of the scrotum in the fetus, and after birth (usually at puberty) a deepening of the voice, growth of the beard and axillary hair. Many of these fall into the category of male secondary sex characteristics.
.”
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

“Sustanon 250 is a trade name for an oil-based injectable blend of four esterized testosterone compounds:

* 30mg Testosterone Propionate
* 60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
* 60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
* 100mg Testosterone Decanoate

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustanon

I guess you don’t understand what you read or you don’t read at all.

There is no difference from the links I sent.

I am not disagree with you all, you are not getting my point.

Like you said: * Anabolic effects include growth of muscle mass and strength, increased bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth and bone maturation.

HCG and ANDRACTIM are not anabolics but androgenic steroids can you see the difference. To build a muscle you need AAS anabolic androgenic steroids.

Anabolics convert in DHT and estrogen while androgens like Andractim and HCG does not convert to Estrogen.

Anabolics are use as testosterone replacement

Androgenics are used to stimulate and correct the testes to produce more of natural testosterone


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And to clear your ideas a bit more: DHT is potentially anabolic also - actually, even more than testosterone; it can’t act in anabolic way on the body because if you take DHT directly it can’t reach your skeletal muscles, not because it isn’t anabolic per se.

HCG is potentially anabolic and androgenic as well; it isn’t classifiable as AAS because its effects are indirect and less pronounced than testosterone based drugs.

If you read all this thread from the beginning you can find a link where I post the study of andractim in old foxes. Eve after months of using Andractim they did not gain muscle mass simple because ANDRACTIM is androgenic


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So, back to the point, if high dosages of testosterone, which is both androgenic and anabolic, don’t make your penis bigger, how a drug which is both androgenic and anabolic as well, but can’t do its anabolic work because the body has way to prevents the latter effects, can make your penis bigger instead? Taking testosterone or DHT is pretty much the same thing, as far as effects on your penis.

Originally Posted by horsedick99
If you read all this thread from the beginning you can find a link where I post the study of andractim in old foxes. Eve after months of using Andractim they did not gain muscle mass simple because ANDRACTIM is androgenic


Again? Read please:
“Andractim
Topical Dihydrotestosterone

Although DHT is much more potent than testosterone, in terms of both anabolic and androgenic effects, it has several possible nasty side effects, and several problems inherent with the form of administration (topical) as well as a couple of possible advantages due to those same factors.
…….
Your body reduces DHT to inactive metabolites by way of the 3-alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme before alot of it can reach the androgen receptors in skeletal tissue. This means while it reaches your scalp and prostate relatively intact, it doesn´t make it to your muscles that way. “

from Steroids.com/Andractim

Does it clear up things?

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