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No, major depression is a pretty rough state to be in. Why it helped me? Because the medicine did it’s job, I guess - like the meds you take now are doing their job.

Depression can range from the blues to major, clinical depression. Double-blind studies show that for mild depression, sugar pills and SSRI’s have roughly the same effect initially - but with sugar pills the problems resurface quicker. For major depression there is no discussion about the fact that SSRI’s have an effect, and placebo doesn’t.

I could draw a parallell to your situation - in order to come up to the surface and breathe clearly again, one needs the meds - and only then can counseling help to any degree.

The claim that SSRI’s only cover up symptoms is actually B.S. The truth is that it depends. If you have experienced something that messed with you to the point of getting into the death spiral of depression, you brain chemistry is fucked. By taking SSRI’s you can come out of the spiral and your brain chemistry has a chance to get back to normal. But if you have a constantly shitty situation (abusive surroundings maybe) you might heal and then get pummeled to the ground again. Or you could have a chemical imbalance in your gut, that messes with the production of tryptofan and leaves you with un-normally low levels of serotonin. Or possibly a different endocrine problem that keeps serotonin from being at healthy levels. In the three last cases, SSRI’s are going to help you temporarily, but not permanently. In the first case, it will help - and fix the problem.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

I appreciate what you think,but I dissagree. Everyone I know who has taken them has told me negative things. Plus the fact I was taking 60mg of prozac which is the highest dose you can take,didnt do me any favours.I know what depression is m8,I suffer from it too it’s part of my life but I just don’t take tablets for it. Here is a link if you don’t know about symptoms http://www.psychiatry24x7.com/bgdis…toms&page=ecall


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

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Theories On The Causes of Schizophrenia

Theories On The Causes of Schizophrenia
April 27, 2009 by
Gabrielle Bryant

Genetic Factors, Environment and Biology
Schizophrenia has been treated as a mystery illness for decades. It is possible that the answers are not that much of a mystery. I think we are closer to the answers than we realize. I believe that it is possible that there are biological reasons that normal people develop schizophrenia.
This is coupled with genetic predisposition to a mental illness along with their response to environmental factors.

There has been a lot of studying to what genes are likely to cause schizophrenia. Environmental factors would include both ongoing stress levels, vitamin deficiency, substance use, and physical stress. These are my own assumptions, although many professionals may have begun to believe similarly.

We are living in times when prescriptions are the answers to the questions which remain overlooked. Can we answer a question which has not yet been answered? Is there a common cause of schizophrenia; if so then what is it? These questions are really not answerable until there is true evidence of the causes of schizophrenia. They will be absurd questions when the answer is as inconclusive as ‘it just happened’ and how far can we go with just treating the symptoms. Without treating the cause, the symptoms will never go away completely.

Psychotic symptoms are mimicked by deliriant anti-histamines. I have taken anti-histamines and had an experience of feeling disconnected and when I was reading I heard the words coming from the pages aloud. Might low levels of histamine be a factor in the diagnosis of schizophrenia? I have also read theories on Niacin from Abram Hoffer. Niacin was theorized as being helpful to those with schizophrenia. This would be because it helps with the regulation of histamine. Histamine is also a catalyst in sleep regulation as well.

Anyone knows that people need sleep, and without the right amount of sleep anyone could become psychotic. Might it be possible that histamine which also acts as a neurotransmitter might be the cause of psychotic disorders? When one part of the body is out of balance the rest would be affected.

Perhaps drugs which target the histamine levels instead of dopamine and serotonin will be more effective in the future. There are anti-psychotic drugs which target histamine levels already such as Abilify which has seemed to have marketable success as a newer atypical anti-psychotic.
Genetic predispositions may be one piece of the puzzle.

Marijuana has been apparent to cause drug-induced schizophrenia in people who have used it. Perhaps in the future we will know what causes it, and will be able to be calculated through tests. Perhaps a low white blood cell count could tell of lack of histamine which causes delusions, while other illnesses could mean you have too much histamine. Might a virus be factored within all this? Might a cold trigger schizophrenia? These are questions which are not always asked.

In conclusion I feel that the questions of the causes of schizophrenia are being overlooked. That it is likely to be caused by biological and environmental factors, and genetic predisposition may play only a part. I would also like to conclude with the mention that schizophrenia is much like an umbrella term, when anyone who has features of thought disorder or delusion can become diagnosed. If the problem with schizophrenia is lack of understanding reality, then those who study schizophrenia should devote more time in spreading the truth of the illness. Medications may be a temporary solution, but they still cannot fully fix the issue of schizophrenia.

Sources for research Include:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
http://www.experiencefestival.com/h…-_schizophrenia
http://www.alternativementalhealth….hizophrenia.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aripiprazole
http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm

http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar…enia.html?cat=5


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Well, if it wasn’t the right medicine - because depression wasn’t the issue per se, the schizophrenia is - why would it do you any favors?

Believe me, I have done my homework on depression.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

So your arguments hang on the idea that the person who diagnosed you with whatever is the Jiffly Lube oil change guy of the medical establishment. One wouldn’t give him an Allison 545 Automatic transmission to rebuild, now would we? The General practitioner will assume that any kookiness is almost always a result of depression or anxiety before jumping to different or better diagnosis. It is the unusual doctor who spends any time with a patient before vomiting forth a guesstimate. Most don’t even listen past second #45 according to the latest data. If you had that shitty custom service in any other field you wouldn’t go back, but medicine is magic preformed by angels.;)


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

You have hit the nail on the head twatteaser
That is quite strage you say about anti-histamines because my doctor mentioned that the other day,and I replied to him,because I’ve been taking antihistamines in the last 2 weeks because my hayfeaver is starting to play up and I heard if you take them early before the pollen properly comes out it improves the effectiveness of the tablets. But since I have been taking them I feel more anxious and paraniod. As for the drug taking,that was probably one of the main reasons I became ill. I started smoking weed when I was very young at about the age of 12,this probably had alot to do with it.And then harder drugs followed as I got older. It’s weird that you say about abilify ( aripriprizole) because they are crossing me over to it from Olanzapine. ATM I take Olanzapine 15mg and 15mg of Abilify. They want to decrease the Olanzapine and fade it out and up the Abilify. So far I feel more motivated, and have been getting up earlier and going to bed earlier so thats a positive. I don’t take drugs anymore, I don’t drink or smoke, I go to the gym every day so all these are positives. Getting help as well so thats all gravey. Thx for the cool links Twatteaser.

MGUS you may have done your homework but I’ve lived it and I have my on opinions,sorry


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

General Practicioners are too general, they don’t seem to know a whole lot about one subject. So if they don’t think that you have a problem then how can they refer you to a specialist,and how can you get the required help.


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

Originally Posted by wannabeast
General Practicioners are too general, they don’t seem to know a whole lot about one subject. So if they don’t think that you have a problem then how can they refer you to a specialist,and how can you get the required help.


From my experience, unless I have something which will surely kill me in 30 minutes or less condition-wise, they love to play guessing games or best of 5 before caring to send me to a specialist. Of course, as of late, I have had an HMO, so perhaps that is the good cause of this treatment?

The GP is the $10 an hour oil change guy of the automotive repair industry. Oh you motor is tapping or knocking? Let me put 20w50 in it, and it should quiet that down.

Here is a Histamine with mental illness symptom chart from some Orthomolecular people.
http://www.nutritional-healing.com….ical%20Subtypes


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

Wow I had no idea.I’m gonna have to get this checked out. The third chart on that link is quite worrying.

Thx for the link tt

So buy me taking anti-histamines could cause me a problem? If so thats a laugh because my GP prescribed me some really strong anti-histamines that have high drowsy properties to them to help me sleep because she didnt want me to take sleeping tablets, because it might interfere with my meds lol.


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

I’m not taking the strong ones for hayfeaver,I just take standard piriton tablets for that. I havent really neaded to take the strong ones because I’m sleeping ok now


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

I was under the understanding that a person will have a usual histamine baseline type (high, average, or low). It is later that certain types of high or low seem to have a correlation with other Joe Blow DSM-IV disorders. Using that angle of attack, I am asking if you used to follow the flow chart for low histamine in a column. You say you take anti-histamines and you feel weirder. Yet hay fever would be but one indicator of high histamine.
So my question (with no real authority) is which side have you fit on for most of your life, if not constantly?

For instance, I follow the low histamine chart by behavior and biological reaction. If you gave me anti-histimines it would be like Knock out gas, cause I am already low in that department.


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

I’m guessing that I have allways been nutrel because I have never been allergic to anything, until about 2 summers ago when I just magically developed hayfever. I think it’s grass pollen I’m not too sure. Saying that when I was a little kid I was allergic to perfumed soap,used to get rashes so that would mean low histamine right? I grew out of that tho


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

Originally Posted by wannabeast

MGUS you may have done your homework but I’ve lived it and I have my on opinions,sorry

I’ve done my homework because I have lived in it too. But only the depression part, the kind that is treatable with SSRI’s.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

Well I’m glad that you have the kind of depression which is treatable then. Your a lucky person


Start Stats ( 11/3/09) BPEL = 6.5 EG= 5.75

Last Measurement (31/5/09) BPEL = 6.9 / 7

Next measurement = ( 30/6/09 )

Everything is relative, I guess. :)


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

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