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NEWS: Dr.Adams stopped chemical PE treatment, what can I do now

I am so confused. So is amar7 really this rionelle character? And who in god’s name would willingly inject needles in their own ERECT penis? I mean, is there no limit to which to man will cease to gain a bigger penis?


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Originally Posted by androNYC
“DMSO elastin”?
How does this differ from plain old DMSO?

Solve some elastin powder at high percentages in it.

Originally Posted by androNYC
In fact, it occurs to me that one could simply apply DMSO to a prepped warmed cock just prior to Jelquing & clamping if that’s all it takes.

True?


Absolutely. That’s what I’m currently going for. Don’t expect miracles; I’m just saying it may help speed up gains. At least, there’s barely risk involved, the materials are cheap and easy to handle. If I could get my hands on potaba (I.e. Aminobenzoate Potassium), I’d include that in the solution, too. Ronielle has a blog post on this:
Http://www.chempe.com/2010/06/mixin…4008fafcfe94bf0
Btw.: I found out that DMSO only starts smelling when it gets old. Pure and fresh DMSO doesn’t smell (it’s not good to inhale it’s vapours anyway).


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Originally Posted by Doubleweener
Scary story there, though it’s actually more splatter-movie-like;


Yeah, said it scared the crap out of him, though he laughs about it now.

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Chemical PE turned out extremely risky. Don’t do it on your own! Find an experienced urologist to guide you through the titration process.


Yes, accurate dosing of caverject, were I even able to get it, is my main concern/fear. Moreso even than actually injecting.

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It’s not enough to just get the chemicals (which is already very tricky), you have to dose and handle them absolutely spot-on correctly; and we’re talking micro-grams here, very low temperatures and sterile environments.

I am extremely lucky and have the opportunity to get high quality IGF1-LR3 in 3000mcg bottles. 1 bottle should last ages.

Caverject I should be able to get online, or by visiting a urologist, though the expense of it gives me some concern. I’m not prepared to stuff around with research grade stuff, risking my schlong on chemicals of unknown strength/sterility/safety though.

Potaba, I am still not sure where/how I can get it. Or if it is even worth bothering with. I wonder how effective a systemic medicine can be in something like chemical PE. DMSO works as a collagen unlocker too, according to Mr Ronielle’s site, so perhaps that applied topically..

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The easiest way of “chemical PE” you could do is a topical application of DMSO elastin solution to slightly speed up length gains with manual stretching or hanging; as for girth, you could try and ride on a DHT flush in combination with jelqing, pumping or clamping; yet I wouldn’t recommend that as it can seriously disturb your hormonal system; either way, patience is the key to success

Good advice, all duly noted. If/When I start a ChemicalPE regimen it will only be as a reinforcement of a primary rigorous manual stretching/jelqing routine. Almost as a means of ensuring I get the gains I want. I’m still on the newbie routine, so anything I do wouldn’t be for at least another 6 months or so, I want to try jelqing on it’s own properly first.

The looseness of the skin on the dick, and the number of blood and lymph vessels etc in it, make me skeptical about the effectiveness of DMSO just applied topically. Maybe I just have the wrong concept of how penetrating DMSO is, but to me seems like there is a big gap (as in space — DMSO may be incredible at travelling through tissue but it can’t travel through space) between the skin and the tunica. Things seem to like to take the path of least resistance. I just have a little bit of a hard time imagining DMSO doing a whole lot of going into the tunica when the skin it’s travelling through isn’t even really all that (relatively) much pressed against the tunica. I just imagine it dissipating out in the skin and getting swept away into bloodstream before getting too far into the tunica. But I could be completely wrong. Anyone know more about DMSO and quite confident I’m wrong. I’d love to hear that I am.

I totally agree. The effects of topical application are rather systemic. DMSO seems to be deeply penetrating, however.

Http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/herschler.htm

A. Membrane Penetration

DMSO readily crosses most tissue membranes of lower animals and man.

Employing [35S] DMSO, Kolb et al,59 evaluated the absorption and distribution of DMSO in lower animals and man. Ten minutes after the cutaneous application in the rat, radioactivity was measured in the blood. In man radioactivity appeared in the blood 5 minutes after cutaneous application. One hour after application of DMSO to the skin, radioactivity could be detected in the bones.


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What is this elastin powder of which you speak and where can I find it?

What ratio elastin:D MSO?


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You get elastin cheaply from nutrition, supplement or beauty shops, given they hold the base materials of their compositions.
For some reason, it’s harder to find it in US stores than in European ones (probably because nobody really buys it).

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastin

The ratio? - A lot ;)
I’m currently using a 10ml solution of 70% DMSO. 30% bacteriostatic water, adding 1g elastin. This quantity suffices for more than a week. I’m going to add in some PABA powder once I receive the order.


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Does PABA also contribute to deformation?


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Deformation (a physiological pathology so to say) is not quite the right term. Read for yourself about PABA vs POTABA use in the last few paragraphs:

Http://www.peyronies-disease-help.com/blog/tag/paba

Potaba for Peyronie’s treatment based on PABA, a vitamin

PABA, or para-aminobenzoic acid, with a formula of H2NC6H4CO2H, is a white crystalline substance that is slightly water soluble. POTABA is simply PABA with a molecule of potassium added to it.

PABA has been referred to as Vitamin Bx because it is an intermediate step in the bacterial manufacturing of folate or folic acid in the intestinal tract. Some bacteria in the human intestinal tract, such as E. Coli, require PABA for proper metabolism. Humans require folate since we lack the enzymes to convert PABA to folate, hence it is made available via the bacterial flora. Sulfonamide drugs are similar to PABA in their chemical structure, and their antibacterial activity is due to their ability to interfere with the conversion of PABA to folate by the enzyme dihydropteroate synthetase. In this way bacterial growth is restricted through folate deficiency without effect on human cells.
Medical use of Potaba (potassium para-aminobenzoate)

Potaba inhibits abnormal fibroblast proliferation, thus it can reduce formation of scar material early after injury. It is speculated that this POTABA anti-inflammatory activity is dependent on initial biotransformation that starts with granulocytes that are stimulated through the initial injury. It also inhibits abnormal fibroblast proliferation, acid mucopolysaccharide and glycosaminoglycan secretion that occur during the normal inflammatory process.

POTABA has been used to treat a variety of conditions characterized by chronic inflammation and fibrosis; this list includes scleroderma, dermatomyositis, morphea, pulmonary fibrosis and Peyronie’s disease.

A POTABA research study was conducted by Carson who retrospectively reviewed 32 patients who were treated with 4,000 Mg of Potaba three times daily, for at least three months and later were followed for an average of 14.4 months. Carson reported reduction of penile pain in 44% of those studied, plaque or scar size reduction in 56%, and improvement of penile angulation in 58%. Complete reversal of penile distortion and angulation occurred in 26% of those studied. The average interval to improvement was 4.2 months, and younger patients with a shorter duration of disease were more likely to respond to therapy. Even thought Carson’s study did not have controls, it suggests a possible role for POTABA in the medical therapy of Peyronie’s disease.

Unfortunately, the results of Carson’s retrospective and uncontrolled research were not reported as an intent-to-treat study. Further, the number of research subjects who started therapy but stopped because of severe abdominal symptoms prior to three months has never been disclosed.

Because of the expense of POTABA, the need to take POTABA three or more times daily, and frequent occurrence of severe gastrointestinal side-effects (burning pain, abdominal cramping, and bowel irritability, make it very difficult for the average man with Peyronie’s disease to follow the treatment guidelines for even a short time. Yet in order to be effective, the length of POTABA therapy is variable, but sometimes lasting 12-24 months of active care.

Medical use of PABA

When a single potassium molecule is added to PABA, it results in what is called a potassium salt; this combination of potassium and PABA is called POTABA. It is used as a drug against fibrotic skin disorders, and as such it can be used in Peyronie’s disease treatment. PABA is also occasionally used to treat Irritable bowel syndrome to and related gastrointestinal symptoms, and in nutritional epidemiological studies to assess the completeness of 24-hour urine collection for the determination of urinary sodium, potassium, or nitrogen levels.

Despite the absence of any recognized syndromes of PABA deficiency in humans, many benefits are claimed for PABA as a nutritional supplement. PABA is said to improve fatigue, irritability, depression, weeping eczema (moist eczema), scleroderma (premature hardening of skin), a patchy pigment loss in skin called vitiligo, and premature gray hair.

Peyronie’s disease: POTABA or PABA?

The first Peyronie’s treatment work involved PABA, the vitamin. When this was shown to be successful, work was then done to show that POTABA, the drug, could be more successful. The interest is working with POTABA – the drug – was greater than with PABA – the vitamin – because the drug is more profitable and is easier to control use and distribution through the medical profession.

The reason PDI promotes the use of PABA for Peyronie’s disease treatment is because it has almost no side effects, is much less expensive to use, does not require a prescription and it combines well with other Alternative Medicine therapies.


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Interesting

If I understand correctly, you are [in a sense] approaching chem PE as if treating Peyronie’s— ‘loosening’ the tissues and then placing them under tension while they ‘release’?

Please excuse the imprecision of my language as I am not familiar with the terms of art.

One wonders what the result would be if one followed a similar DMSO protocol prior to titerating [I SO love that term] Caverject.


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Originally Posted by androNYC
Interesting

If I understand correctly, you are [in a sense] approaching chem PE as if treating Peyronie’s— ‘loosening’ the tissues and then placing them under tension while they ‘release’?

That would be the ideal case. The “tools” at hand (PABA, DMSO, etc.) are however moderately efficient in treating Peyronie’s, how less efficient are they possibly in treating a normal penis (with no to little tissue alteration)?

Originally Posted by androNYC
One wonders what the result would be if one followed a similar DMSO protocol prior to titerating [I SO love that term] Caverject.

Frankly, nobody can tell whether it benefits PE efforts at all. I personally think the highest success in chemical PE is yielded (in the few reported cases of success there are among all who tried so far) from the most risky chemicals in the field, I.e. PGE-1, IGF-1 and DHT. Human recombinant FGF-1 sounds extremely promising, too.


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@TheScientist
You are not only rude, but also too stupid to understand the sarcasm in my post, I feel sorry for you, paranoid mate

Originally Posted by androNYC
That’s not how business works.

Of course it does. If I have a product/service, that I know alot are interested in and that product is limited, I would give it to the customers who pays most. He has limited time and the men who would want to increase penis size are plentyful.
If he is interested in medical ethic, he wouldn’t have made a patent for his program, he is a cunning business man I think, roniell also a bit, because he is selling crap like the divido cup, where he knows that his gains come mainly from chemicals

It’s all about making more money, isnt that how business work?

Originally Posted by hsarge
Amar7, you sound like you are young, and have the impatience of youth. Nothing good comes quickly. 1 year in pe is not much. You need to diversify your program. Stretching, pumping, hanging clamping are all needed to ‘mix things up’ so that your body cannot gear up for 1 thing. That is how you break plateaus. There is room for chemical pe, but if there was 1 miracle way, everybody would know of it. You can use viagra etc to do girth work like horse squeezes, ulis and bends; you can incorporate clamping with that. I reiterate that pe is not overnight and you will never be Mandingo or Jack Napier; but you can gain some length, you can gain some girth, and you can perfect your technique. There is a line that goes ‘A man makes love to a woman with his touch (fingers) and his tongue; he makes love to himself with his penis.’ You can ‘ring a woman’s bell’ and never have penetration. You need to quit you panic and impatience.

I am kinda young and impantient about the ridiculous possibilities of enlargement. To me that is everything from the usual augumentation to strech/clamp/pump, pills, magic ingriedients and other stuff that is plain bs to me, sorry to say that.
I firmly believe in chemical pe, but it has a far far way to go, until it reaches conservative treatment unfortunately. I would want to skip that, but with the subject chempe many questions come too about what combination is optimum and how to get the medicals in first place. All in all it’s a difficult matter which gives me alot of headache for quiete some time now :( probably I really have to be patient about it, but I can’t get past the hurt yet from the bad influence on relations I had. Your quote on love made me kinda smile though, maybe it really is as it is with 5”..

Originally Posted by Doubleweener
The toughness of the tunica, which needs to be softened before growth can occur, seems to play an important role.


In theory thats an important part or seems at least to be. I wonder if dmso and pgf2 or potaba would be effective transdermally. I wouldn’t take potaba orally as it has too many side effects.

1 rule in my theory is always : local befor systemic

I know this is going to piss you off and it will sound like there is an echo in the room, but I’d advice you to try PE again, try a different routine, watch videos on how people Jelq and stretch to make sure you doing it exactly right, try to find the right routine for ‘you’

Amar7, read post 58 ! :)

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