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Originally Posted by vkn1
Does the body down regulate it’s own production of HGH and/or IGF-1 in the presence of external sources? I ask because I understand this happen to a large degree with T replacement therapy — when a guy take Androgel or is administered T in whatever other form to bring their levels up to normal range, the body actually shuts down it’s own T production, so you are left entirely with the non-native T. This is also the case with anabolic steroid users like bodybuilders, baseball players (heh), etc. — When they take steroids for a certain length of time, coming off of them is difficult because their body is no longer producing it’s own anabolic hormones.

Does the body down-regulate it’s own production of HGH or IGF-1 in an analogous manner?

Yes it does depending on dosage, frequency and duration.

However it’s not as bad as t suppression etc and taking some supplements and exercising will help raise it asap.

Originally Posted by Touchmeifucan
Yes it does depending on dosage, frequency and duration.

However it’s not as bad as t suppression etc and taking some supplements and exercising will help raise it asap.

vkn1-

I agree with punk, and this is really the issue why I’m conservative with the conventional wisdom on “gear”, and that includes igf.

When I was a kid (about 100 years ago), I did my first cycle (testoviron and dianabol - this is a lousy first cycle for a lot of reasons). Anyways, both of these drugs disrupt the HPT axis (hypothalmus/pituitary/testes) which downregulated my endogenous production of testosterone. Wish somebody had told me how to get off a cycle (hcg/clomid), because I spent the following year in a tremendous depression from never having upregulated my own production. Fortunately, I met a bodybuilder who figured this out for me, as I thought it was solely a psychological condition, and I got the problem solved. (It is also important to note that disrupting endogenous production is a function of the specific drug [some are very “easy” on the HPTA], dose, and duration)

I think hGH and testosterone, when used wisely, are safe and have the potential to be life extenders. It’s a question of degree.

All of the hormone replacement doctors with whom I’ve spoken recommend around 1 IU of HGH per 100 pounds bodyweight per day(this is naturally relative to an individual’s bloodwork/and any deficiency), 5 on, 2 off, in cycles. This is what my friends are having great success with.

Remember, as you age, your levels generally decline. As such, you don’t necessarily need 4 IUs to get a “pop”. All of my friends feel fantastic (one guy is only on 1 IU, 4 on 3 off) and have noticed real benefits, with no apparent side effects.

Anyways, I think the original point of this thread was that hGH has the potential to help PE, and I definitely think it would, I will let you know if I experience any changes.

As for igf-1/ LR3, I think the subtopic was that it may have more localized effects than hGH, which it may. My only original point was that, to my knowledge, the LR3 analog of igf-1 has never been clinically tested on humans, anywhere, and is, anecdotal evidence aside, a relatively unknown commodity.

Needless to say, I’m not a doctor, and this is my non-medical opinion. Caveat emptor.

Do you guys know that the protocol for dissolving IGF is using acetic acid yep Vinegar so that 7% of the solution is vinegar and the rest sterile water. You can dilute it in the syringe with more water etc but still inject that stuff into your shaft must itch.

I am considering using Jinatropin for a number of reasons, including increased PE gains. I’ve read the entire thread and scoured around online and I am surprised that there is very little talk about the use of HGH to maximize PE gains. I’ve read some medical reports of HGH medically administered to children and all of them experienced noticeable penile growth as a side-effect.

Will the same side-effect occur adults aged 40?. My guess is that it would but as I am not an expert I am seeking educated opinions here and any opinions are appreciated.

I am trying to come to some conclusions and I appreciate the people writing in this thread as there seems to be some very wise and knowledgable minds here.

Some Straight Questions Please:

1. Do you believe Jinatropin intake of between 2-4IU per day, 5 on, 2 off would give me a significant advantage in achieving my PE goals faster?

2. What is the best herbal supplement, SizePro, Prosolution, or other?

3. Does Deferol delay orgasm? Anyone tried it? If so, how much extra time does it give you? 25%? 50%, 100% or more?

Thanks guys, great thread :-)

P.S. Please PM if you know how to get Jin down under here in Oz

Hope this thread hasn’t stopped?

Originally Posted by johnyd
I am considering using Jinatropin for a number of reasons, including increased PE gains. I’ve read the entire thread and scoured around online and I am surprised that there is very little talk about the use of HGH to maximize PE gains. I’ve read some medical reports of HGH medically administered to children and all of them experienced noticeable penile growth as a side-effect.

Will the same side-effect occur adults aged 40?. My guess is that it would but as I am not an expert I am seeking educated opinions here and any opinions are appreciated.

I am trying to come to some conclusions and I appreciate the people writing in this thread as there seems to be some very wise and knowledgable minds here.

Some Straight Questions Please:

1. Do you believe Jinatropin intake of between 2-4IU per day, 5 on, 2 off would give me a significant advantage in achieving my PE goals faster?

2. What is the best herbal supplement, SizePro, Prosolution, or other?

3. Does Deferol delay orgasm? Anyone tried it? If so, how much extra time does it give you? 25%? 50%, 100% or more?

Thanks guys, great thread :-)

P.S. Please PM if you know how to get Jin down under here in Oz

Size growth in children is different from adults though. I’m sure HGH does help atleast in quicker recuperation and it helps in growth so overall it must be helpful in getting gains quicker and maintaining them.

4iu for atleast 6 months administered twice a day 5days on 2 off is the usual program. But you can also inject say 3 injects a week of 10iu or so (lots of bbers swear this method works well for mass growth too).

Herbal supplements wouldn’t work and not worth it.

Depression meds can delay orgasms/ejaculation. But with training PE, maybe wrapping a scotchbrite pad around your shaft(to slowly desensitise it), retraining your brain by almost coming stopping and restarting(itll take a few weeks) and draining those ejaculatory muscles you could potentially last a long time.
This would work because
1. PE offers overall improvements
2. Scotchbrite (becareful here not to overdo it) desensitises the area (useful if your very sensitive)
3. Retraining your body and mind to accept slow pleasure as the norm takes time but works over several weeks
4. Finally once your going at it and just as your about to come squeeze as hard and with all your might your PC muscles. ALL YOUR MIGHT. HOLD it in for maybe 30sec+ ensuring they are completely drained and not likely to contract very quickly.

Now you can last a lot longer.

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