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Originally posted by Jones8315
biggerandbetter, I have no interest in fighting with you. If you choose not to believe me for any reason, I don't care. Please don't waste our time. I think everyone reading this thread is capable of coming to there own conclusion.


I want to believe you, trust me on that. The idea of growing my
penis by applying DHT, Androgel or some 4-AD gel is very appealing
(and I can get all three legally, thankyouverymuch). I just think
it would be more helpful to read substantiated facts to support our
ideas, not anecdotes from people who are not participating in
this forum.

Firsthand experience is good too, speaking of which, would you mind
recapping for us:
1) When did you start this?
2) Exactly what product are you using? Where did you get it and cost?
3) How much of the product (in ml, grams or whatever makes sense)
each “dose”?
4) Frequency of administration?
5) EBPL, EG before beginning? At present?
6) Any added benefits (increased libido, increase skin oiliness) or
side effects (gynecomastia, shrunken testicles, hair falling out)?

Thanks.

Biggerandbetter (wanna be believer)

1. I was on cycle for about 20 days, that was about a week ago.
2. I used Z4 4AD spray. It is 4AD in ISO OH. I added IPM. This product was discontinued. It also is not good for penile use. It really burns. Products like Aderm uses solvents that are not too abrasive and can be neutralized.
3. Each dose was 50mg.
4. Two doses per day.
5. data:
Starting ELBP length: 6.5
Ending ELBP length: 7.0 (just over, actually)

Starting BP flaccid stretch: 6.75
Ending BP flaccid stretch: 7.25

Starting EG: 5.0
Ending EG: 5 and 7/16
During my off cycle, my length and girth is still the same.

6. Any added benefits (increased libido, increase skin oiliness) or
side effects (gynecomastia, shrunken testicles, hair falling out)?

Hey biggerandbetter, in my opinion oily skin is a side effect. I notice acne whenever my skin is oily. I saw zero side effects and an increase in night erections. Erection quality was just a little better then normal.


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Last edited by Jones8315 : 07-30-2003 at .

mechanism?

Thanks for the details on your experience.

What’s your thought on the mechanism? I mean, you start
with 4AD, what is that getting converted to that actually
does the growing? DHT? Testosterone?

What do you think the actual receptor sites are?

In previous emails I sited a studying about treating a
boy with “micropenis” with DHT daily for a few months,
and everything grew to normal. Would you say
your experience is quite similar?

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Originally posted by Jones8315
2. I used Z4 4AD spray. It is 4AD in ISO OH. I added IPM.

IPM: isopropyl myristate? Where does a layperson get this?

I am now pretty confident about the theory. 4AD converts to DHT, then, over a few weeks, androgen receptors up-regulate. Then, once AR mRNA is expressed, the ARs get activated, and voila, the penis grows. There are several studies which show how testosterone and DHT up-regulate receptors.

As far as the micro-penis comparison, my experiences were similar. In both the studies and myself, the growth was permanent.


Mr jones and me..... Gonna be big stars

If I see growth during the first three weeks there is no way in hell I will stop the cycle. I would do at least 8 weeks. 50mg daily is a very small amount. I don’t see the risk to hormonal balance throughout the body. My only concern is the close proximity of the prostate. Do the prostate and penis tissues directly exchange blood flow?

No


Mr jones and me..... Gonna be big stars

>Starting ELBP length: 6.5
Ending ELBP length: 7.0 (just over, actually) <

Sounds like your growth prediction from the thread title was right on the button. In your first post you mention 1/4” length and girth growth (after 14 days) so I’m guessing it was a prediction.

Anyone else got 14 day results yet?


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Originally posted by Jones8315
I am now pretty confident about the theory. 4AD converts to DHT, then, over a few weeks, androgen receptors up-regulate. Then, once AR mRNA is expressed, the ARs get activated, and voila, the penis grows. There are several studies which show how testosterone and DHT up-regulate receptors.

As far as the micro-penis comparison, my experiences were similar. In both the studies and myself, the growth was permanent.

So, if I just put on DHT, would that simply save metabolic
time? How long does it take for androgen receptors to get
activated, do you think? What intermediates are there between
4AD and DHT?

What do you think about using 5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol or
rather 5-alpha-androstene-3-one, 17b-ol) compounded into a
transdermal? See http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/5aa.html
for more info on 5AA.

If you were using DHT directly, would you need to cycle?

What do you think about using 5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol or
rather 5-alpha-androstene-3-one, 17b-ol).

5-alpha-androstene-3-one, 17b-ol does not exist. I will email the web page people and tell them about the typoe. I am sure someone is going to say “wheres your proof or credibility”, so I invite you read a 1000 page organic chemistry text book so that you will be able to make an educated rebuttal yourself. In short though, that compound has no location indicated for the double bond.

Many people don’t know this, but 5AA is 3alpha. Actually, most is just the other chirality at C17, 3-beta. Anabol-x uses that, which is inferior. People should have success with both of these. They all have high DHT conversion rates.

If you were using DHT directly, would you need to cycle?
If you are already on DHT, I would say just being using your penis as the topical delivery site. Just don’t expose your woman to this. And if you Doctor said not to cycle it, then dont.

Sounds like your growth prediction from the thread title was right on the button. In your first post you mention 1/4” length and girth growth (after 14 days) so I’m guessing it was a prediction.

Anyone else got 14 day results yet?

Momento, my thread title was based on the reports whitehall and all those who tried this before. They saw .5 inches per month. And, I did not predict my gains exactly. .5 inches was suppose to take a month, it took me 20 days.


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Originally posted by Jones8315
5-alpha-androstene-3-one, 17b-ol does not exist.


Is it actually 5alpha-androstane-3alpha, 17beta-diol?

I’ll be taking chemistry starting in a couple weeks. Not
o-chem (no thank you). Then maybe I’ll have some
understanding of what you’re talking about.

How would you compound a powder to make it something
that can be absorbed in the skin? Mix it with any cream?
Does it have to be polar or non-polar? IPM vs. Water?

Is it actually 5alpha-androstane-3alpha, 17beta-diol?

bingo

How would you compound a powder to make it something
that can be absorbed in the skin? Mix it with any cream?
Does it have to be polar or non-polar? IPM vs. Water

It is real hydrophobic. You need an alcohol solution. Shoot for 50 mg/ml.


Mr jones and me..... Gonna be big stars

Two weeks today and no really significant change in my penis. I think my hang is thicker, but I already have a great hang.

I have not abstained from sex and I do take a variety of other supplements. I am going to do my best this week not to discharge my seminal fluid, stay away from booze and not take other supplements other than a small aspirin and basic vitamins and see what happens.

Age may be a factor and prior PE may be a factor also. Don’t know just thinking out loud.

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