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Originally Posted by swordsman
Does anyone know where the twinlab wine extract is avail? or a cheap working substitute?

I’m wondering this too. Googling didn’t help. Is there a Twin Labs website to order from (if so, I didn’t find it), or is it a brand that you buy… where? At GNC?

Where do you order bioflavonoids from? I found some random sites, but not sure what’s in there. (I didn’t find clear directions in this otherwise nice thread.)

Start: 6.3 x 5.2 (Feb '05)

Now: 7.9 x 5.65 (gain 1.6 x 0.45) - SFL 8.6"

Goal: 8.5 x 6.0 - Currently trying: handclamp squeeze, O-bends. My data - Progress log

Feed back please!!!!

Plan #1:
Buy a capsule filling machine like this and make a bunch at one time.

How much of a static charge does the L-Ornithine have? Does it stick to stuff? If I weigh out 25gm and then pour it into a capsule will I loose enough in the process to mess things up?
Does it matter if the ALCAR isn’t spot on? We are talking 500mg here so if I have a variance of say 480-520 would it really matter? This would allow me to fill a bunch of capsules at one time without weighing the ALCAR.
Could you guys that are using 500mg ALCAR capsules tell me what size capsule and how tightly packed it is? Simply compare your capsule to this dime.

Depending on what you guys think/answer to the above I will attempt bulk production with a capsule filling machine and report back. Otherwise I will use plan #2.

Plan #2:
Purchase ALCAR in 500mg capsules. Build a small capsule holder out or resin, modeling clay, plaster, or the like. Place holder and capsule on scale and add 25mg of L-Ornithine.

Referring to BeyondACenturyInc: Is the “Acetyl L-Carnitine Capsules” the same thing as the “Acetyl L Carnitine Hcl” other than one being bulk powder and one being pre-capsuled? Plan #2 is based on the assumption that it is.

Why am I doing this? I don’t trust the shake and mix method to be spot on in regard to L-Ornithine weights on the milligram level. Having pre-made pills is much easier when traveling, camping, and sleeping over at friends houses. This will allow me to get friends and family members that wouldn’t play the games we all play to try the stuff out.

Thanks guys!

Running a Massive Co-Front.

I don’t recall at the moment how granular my Alcar is, but I do remember that my Green Tea (which is as fine as flour) would fit 560mg in a 00 size capsule. If it’s granular it could be much less. The way I did it was to weigh a known quantity of caps, fill them, then weigh again. The more caps you do this with, the less the margin of error. I don’t know about the static charge of the L-Ornithine. 25mg is a very small amount though, so it might be better to get a measuring spoon from or similar. Again, dumping say 20 spoonfuls on a scale will give you a more accurate idea of how much a spoonful weighs.

I’m not sure about the HCl question either. My understanding is that Acetyl or HCl is added to make the product more stable or biovailable. What I’m not sure of is whether they’re the same thing or two ways to achieve the same result (much like saying $1.23c or just $1.23).

Just remember that “mg” is a mass, that doesn’t include density (which relates mass to volume). 560mg of something very dense will fit into a smaller space that 560mg of something that is less dense. So, unless ALCAR has the same density of green tea
(doubt it), this is not a guaranteed good comparison.

I’ve been having good success with the scale. Great dreams, great wood!


(12/5/2008) BPEL: 7.75" EG: 5.75" BSFL: 8.1" FL: 5" FG 4.25"||New Goal: NBPEL: 8" EG: 6"

Technique: 95% Wet Jelqing, 5% Low Vacuum Pumping

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OK chaps,

Hope I can come in to play, as I’ve only just read this stuff for the first time. Looks good. My head hurts.

Can someone break this right down for me?

I want 500 mg ALCAR and 20 - 30 grams L-Ornithinine..

Coral calcium. How much?

Green tea extract for Polyphenols and bioflavonoids.. - In order to stop the cancerous effects of the other stuff??

Can someone recomend where they are getting each of their ingredients?

Also - what about this cancer bit? Is no-one else a bit worried on that front?

See Ya,


Last edited by BigJ : 05-09-2005 at .

Hey BigJ,

The coral calcium isn’t part of the GH combo but is dirt cheap and contains trace minerals that are usually lacking in our diets.

ALCAR and L-Ornithinine seem to be cheapest here.

Where to get bioflavonoids is a topic currently being discussed in this thread, the jury is out. Does this mean that some/most of the guys currently using the GH stack are not using bioflavonoids? Enquiring minds want to know.

“Green tea extract for Polyphenols and bioflavonoids.. - In order to stop the cancerous effects of the other stuff??”
In order to stop the potential cancerous effects. most places discussing GH don’t even address this potential. I am not worried about it but will take the precaution of using bioflavonoids.

Are you guys that take Acetyl L Carnitine (non-Hcl) in capsule form getting results? At BeyondACentury they distinguish between that and Acetyl L Carnitine Hcl. The Hcl version they mention as being used for the GH stack, the non-Hcl version they do not.

Running a Massive Co-Front.

Just answered my own question on at least one thing. The formula given at longerhealthylife reffers to “Acetyl-L-carnitine” with no mention to the “hcl” suffix being given.

Running a Massive Co-Front.

Somehow I had a feeling this thread would take off.

I have really dialed in my workout…I’m making big jumps in strength. My work out is fairly complex, but let me just give you a few details.

This is my latest gains from the last time I did these exercises.

Squats 60 lbs, hack squats 60 lbs, leg press 90 lbs, curls 30 lbs, bench 20 lbs, triceps 20 lbs, pullups 10 lbs, cable row 10 lbs.

I know that the GH is helping by accelerating my recovery.

Some of these numbers are approaching my all time maxes, some are right at my record maxes. I foresee a year of busting through all my old records…if I can just get my low back to settle down, LOL!

I can truthfully say, of all the “suppliments” I’ve ever used, this has had the biggest effect. Its probably the cheapest too!


The guide says to take this stuff three hours after last meal then straight to bed. If I do this I’ll be ravenous and waking up in the middle of the night to eat.

Not wanting to do that, I’m wondering If I can have a protein shake or two maybe half an hour to an hour before the Alcar/Ornithine as the shake should be digested in around half an hour… I am assuming the guy gives the three hour guideline as he is not a bodybuilder, as most people on his supplements would not be, so their last meal would be solid and would take longer to digest..

Any ideas?

See Ya,


Originally Posted by BigJ
…the shake should be digested in around half an hour…

BigJ: Sounds reasonable, but of course no one here can tell you yes or no. Try it for a month and share your results.

As for my experience, I’m 14 days into it and my observations after 5 days remain (see post #185 above). In addition, I think my skin is starting to become slightly more supple and I get by on 7 hours of sleep, where I used to need 8 — but 14 days is too little to say for sure.

Start: 6.3 x 5.2 (Feb '05)

Now: 7.9 x 5.65 (gain 1.6 x 0.45) - SFL 8.6"

Goal: 8.5 x 6.0 - Currently trying: handclamp squeeze, O-bends. My data - Progress log

The point of the three hour fast is that there will be no proteins in the stomach that will compete with the uptake of the formula.

If as a bodybuilder, you are eating small meals…and you feel that your stomach will digest and empty the protein shake BEFORE you take the formula….it should be fine.

I have done that sometimes when I’m lifting heavy, and I’m starving towards bed time. I too find that a protein shake will be digested and out of my stomach in about 30 minutes if my stomach was empty before the shake.

Try it and get back to us…it should work.

OK chaps,

I’m still searching but its looking like nowhere in the uk sells ornithine, and the acetyl l-carnitine is going to cost me a fortune (about 5 or 6 times the price wtf!) if I buy it here compared to the site linked by Iamaru above (won’t ship outside of US)..

If I can’t find a supplier would anyone be willing to let me order the stuff to your address and then post it to me in the uk?

I’ll pay for the supplements and the postage of course…

Ideally I’ll be able to find a supplier here, and there’ll be no need for this shenanigans…


See Ya,


Last edited by BigJ : 05-13-2005 at .

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