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Fish oil brands

Para, I think I made my position quite clear. I don’t have the links to various research that I use to and yet you keep asking me to prove everything to you. If you want to go and buy the cheapest fish oil out there go right ahead, I couldn’t care less. The fact is, even the link you provided is advertising fish oil all over the place. Yet you didn’t consider that the site maybe trying to promote cheap fish oils by saying that they are just as good as more refined fish oils but cheaper? No doubt you will continue to argue your case. I’m not sure I want to keep repeating myself to you though. You can buy cheap, unrefined fish oil and I will buy wholesale, distilled seal oil. Now everyone is happy. Like Zane said, sheesh!


There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world: and that is an idea whose time has come.

Ok Para, I didn’t see your last post because I was writting my last post at the same time as you. Let’s all relax and take a deep breath. sigh.


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Originally Posted by Gottagrow
The fact is, even the link you provided is advertising fish oil all over the place.

No. The only research I cited was from Consumers Union and ConsumerLab.com. Both are independent (CU/CR extremely so; I don’t know much about ConsumerLab.com). The magazine article I linked to was just a summary of the research from these two labs; it was not a source of any research.

Originally Posted by Gottagrow
Yet you didn’t consider that the site maybe trying to promote cheap fish oils by saying that they are just as good as more refined fish oils but cheaper?

No, I didn’t, since CU/CR has as strict an independence from commercial interests of any research group out there.

Originally Posted by Gottagrow
No doubt you will continue to argue your case.

Yes, since my case is right and you are distorting it.

Originally Posted by Gottagrow
You can buy cheap, unrefined fish oil

That I will.

Originally Posted by Gottagrow
Ok Para, I didn’t see your last post because I was writting my last post at the same time as you. Let’s all relax and take a deep breath. sigh.

Trust me, I’m not at all worked up here. I’m just having fun with the rhetoric. I’ll split this dispute off from the thread, so you can continue with what looked to be an interesting discussion.

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
I’m just in a weirdly argumentative mood today.


Must be something in the air…you in the PNW Para?

I use pharm grade oil FWIW.


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Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
I can’t argue with anecdotal evidence. I just think it’s useful to state explicitly that the only evidence for a difference between brands is anecdotal. The Pharm Oil companies would have you think that there is solid scientific reason to think that their oil is superior.

There is a difference between a solid scientific reason and a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. One is a subset of the other. If you will not take the word of one of the top experts in the field who actually uses the stuff in his daily work and for that matter my own experience with brands, I don’t know what to tell you, except to say there is no solid scientific evidence that penis enlargement works at all. So why the hell are you here?


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Pacific but not Northwest Xeno.

My fight-picking here was not very Mod-like.

In any case, I should note that Zaneblue’s posts here at Thunder’s are what got me reading the Omega-3 literature more (thanks ZB :thumbs: ), and I’m now taking a lot more fish oil, more consistently, than I used to. I think it’s one of the few “supplements” out there with really great research to support it. And clearly Gottagrow (along witH ZB) was aware of this research before I was; I’m not proclaiming myself some expert on this stuff. Just questioning a particular dogma.


Last edited by Para-Goomba : 09-13-2005 at .

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba

Pacific but not Northwest Xeno.

Too bad, seems both of us could use a tall sudsy one or 4, was gonna offer to get the first couple.

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba

My fight-picking here was not very Mod-like.

Your fight-picking looks like my community service.


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Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
Consumer Reports (07/03 — available online with subscription) tested fish oils and found that all 16 top-selling brands it tested “contained roughly as much EPA and DHA as their labels promised. None showed evidence of spoilage, and none contained significant amounts of mercury, the worrisome PCBs, or dioxin.” (CR, of course, accepts no advertising, so there’s no plausible motive for fabrication of data.) Another respected independent group, Environmental Defense, contacted manufacturers of fish-oil pills, and over 80% replied confirming that they meet the strictest standards for purity.

Mass-market brands sometimes contain lower concentrations of DHA & EPA, of course, but all that means is you have to take more pills to achieve the same total intake. The mass-market brands can be over 10 times cheaper for the same quantity of DHA & EPA than more expensive brands, according to the CR report.

This is the same conclusion I arrived at when I looked into it some time ago. Negligible contaminants, and the different brands of each concentration are all about the same. I don’t have links handy, and I’m not going to try to dredge up the sources I found (which may not even be available now), so don’t ask.

Think about it. How many fish oil manufacturers are there? Probably not many at the production level. The wholesalers cap and bottle the stuff, attach a label extolling the virtues of their brand, and slap on a price tag.
Escargot costs more than snails, even though they are the same thing.

Zane,

1. It’s a lot easier to tell if your penis has grown than if a particular drug is working to treat some condition in which massive natural temporal variation is the rule — let alone whether a particular brand of a drug is working better than another brand of the same drug. Adult men’s penises don’t grow on their own — ever (megalophallus excluded). When the control arm of one’s sample has exactly zero random error, it doesn’t take much effect size to reach statistical significance.

2. There are no studies on PE available. All we have to go on is anecdotal evidence. There are studies on fish-oil pills. These studies suggest they’re all the same quality.

3. I work in science, and I certainly do not accept the anecdotal proclamations of my peers (nor myself!) as solid scientific evidence. Heck, even the published studies are often wrong, as a currently active thread here highlights.

But just because something hasn’t been studied doesn’t mean it should be thrown out. For centuries yohimbe has had a reputation as a male aphrodisiac, but it was never studied until the success of Viagra. And even then it was only studied as the patentable extract yohimbine. Extremely ultra-refined fish oil has been patented as a prescription heart medication. I’m certain I can find some studies showing its efficacy in treating heart disease, if I can remember the dang name of the stuff.

The studies you have are only on how much EPA and DHA are in the product, not on if the product works. Likewise the contamination, it’s nice to know the products are safe, although I’d err on the side of caution when it comes to pregnant and nursing women.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

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By the way, notice any extra sproinginess or higher libido? Erotic dreams, speedier orgasms? Always curious. I know of course the placebo effect in something like this can be considerable.

Also did you know that clits grow past puberty? A tiny clit caused by low testosterone will enlarge from TRT at any point in a woman’s life. Actually one of the reasons why TRT must be monitored so carefully, can get too large, virilization, and lose sensation.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg

Originally Posted by zaneblue
The studies you have are only on how much EPA and DHA are in the product, not on if the product works. Likewise the contamination,

Yes. Those are only two factors I’ve seen cited as plausible reasons why one brand could be “superior” to another. (Besides the GI thing.) The scientific studies on Omega 3s’ efficacy, as far as I know, specify the quantity of EPA & DHA, without reference to “quality.”

Originally Posted by zaneblue
But just because something hasn’t been studied doesn’t mean it should be thrown out.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by zaneblue
Extremely ultra-refined fish oil has been patented as a pharmaceutical heart medication.

That would be disappointing (the patenting part, meaning prices will be outrageous). It would be good if someone made an even-higher concentrated form of the fish oil, though, for those who need to take extremely high doses (5-10+ grams/day) for their ailments. Swallowing 40 big-ass pills can’t be fun…

Originally Posted by Zaneblue
By the way, notice any extra sproinginess or higher libido? Erotic dreams, speedier orgasms?

I haven’t. But then, I’m not taking very high doses (1-2 grams/day of EPA+DHA currently). I’m doing it mainly for the long-term health benefits that I won’t really notice at present. And perhaps there is preventive value for various mental problems, even if higher doses are needed for treating active disease.

Originally Posted by zaneblue
I have spoken at length with a world-reknowned fish oil expert at the NIH, Dr. Joseph Hibbeln, and he concurs that fish oil brands vary widely in quality, and that efficacy is affected by processing techniques

Then later:

Originally Posted by zaneblue

Do you know how much it costs to do a research study? The man is researching using fish oil to treat alcoholism. He’s not going to waste his time doing a research study on different brands.

I’m confused. This “expert” believes that processing techniques cause varying degrees of efficacy, yet he doesn’t have any studies to back up his assertion. How did he arrive at his conclusion?

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