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I for one would still like to know if you can take 3 & 6 together because I just bought about a 2 months supply. If you can’t can someone give me a link to a study or something saying it’s no good. I hate to waste all that fish oil and I don’t want to take it if it’s crap.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

I don’t know about this, but I suspect total intake (meaning in the diet in general) is more of a factor than timing of omega-3 and omega-6 ingestion.

While this study doesn’t specify the fat used, it indicates eating fat along with fish oil aids absorption:

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1: Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 1988 Oct 31;156(2):960-3.

Absorption of eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid from fish oil triacylglycerols or fish oil ethyl esters co-ingested with a high-fat meal.

Lawson LD, Hughes BG.

Murdock Pharmaceuticals, Springville, Utah 84663.

The absorption of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) from fish oil triacylglycerols and fish oil ethyl esters consumed in a high-fat meal (44 g total fat) by male volunteers was measured and compared to values previously reported for consumption in a low-fat meal (8 g total fat). Absorption of EPA, but not of DHA, from fish oil triacylglycerols was significantly improved from 69% to 90% by co-ingestion with the high-fat meal. Absorption of both EPA and DHA from fish oil ethyl esters was increased three-fold, to about 60%, by co-ingestion with the high-fat meal, indicating that absorption of fatty acid ethyl esters is highly dependent on the amount of co-ingested fat.

PMID: 2847723 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


I’m not going to worry much about omega-6, other than choosing cooking oils that are relatively low in it. We already get more than enough in our diets. Since the ideal 6 to 3 ratio is likely somewhere around 2:1, deliberately taking more 6 only drives us farther from that ratio.

Hobby, you misunderstood me. I didn’t mean to say there was anything particularly bad about taking omega-6 fatty acids with omega-3 fatty acids, at the same time. I simply think that with the low intake of omega-3 fatty acids of most people and the high omega-6 fatty acid levels of the modern diet that taking any omega-6 fatty acids at all is a bad idea, because they have to be taken in balance. If the only time a person takes omega-3 fatty acids is with omega-6 fatty acids, they will never correct the imbalance. That’s all I was saying.

I’m sorry, I do have a tendency to be cryptic and not express myself clearly. I’m not trying to be evasive in any way, except for the Hibbeln thing. I’ve given you my own reasons for why I prefer ultra-refined fish oil and also given you links explaining the different manufacturing processes. I don’t think it’s being hyperdefensive to refuse discussing a friend’s personal conversations online when that friend has been openly insulted and our relationship has been openly insulted (he is not my guru—Billy Zane is my guru. :hearton: )

I am happy to discuss cheap fish oil vs. expensive fish oil as much as you like, but honestly I don’t really care about it as much as you do. I was just relating anecdotal evidence in an effort to be helpful. I personally have noticed a difference with going from the cheaper to the more expensive stuff and know of other people who have too, that’s all. I’m not sure why the change; I assume because of the different processing, which I spelled out here. I’ve said I don’t have efficacy studies. But for me personally and for other people who have switched, it works better and is easier on the digestion. Easy enough to refute me—men who do notice a positive change in libido from fish oil can try a bottle of the expensive stuff and see if they notice a change. If not, tell me to go jump in a lake, publicly. And frankly I wouldn’t mind finding out that I am wrong—my interest is in results and I don’t like recommending that women try an expensive brand because it makes me look bad. Maybe there is a cheap brand out there that works just as well; I just don’t know about it. If you look at the earlier version of my diet posted at newshe I don’t recommend a specific brand. I started doing that because women were complaining about digestive upset and it wasn’t working as well.

You yourself complain about digestive difficulties with taking fish oil, although only on a empty stomach, which is not a good thing to do.

You know, I was tired with the polyunsaturated thing. It was late. I am telling women about diet, and when it comes to actual food, polyunsaturated fats is a shorthand for saying omega-6 fats—corn oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, soybean oil. One of the citations in my protocol is:

Zimmer L, Delpal S, Guilloteau D, et al. Chronic n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid deficiency alters dopamine vesicle density in the rat frontal cortex. Neurosci Lett 2000;284:25-28.


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By the way, as for temper tantrums, you kept saying “You aren’t really angry,” “You aren’t really angry.” I was angry, and even though I politely said it, you didn’t believe me until I was publicly nasty.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

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I’m offended by your quotation marks.

Ok so I’m going to buy some new freaking fish oil:-k and I will still use up what I bought but I will just weed them in every third day or so.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Dino, don’t worry about it. You’re taking in way more Omega-6’s through your normal diet, most likely, so that the pill contribution toward O6’s will be minimal, while it will dramatically increase your total Omega-3 intake. (Not that I have a clue whether O6:O3 ratio actually matters.)

Thanks Para that’s why ain’t throwing them out I’m just going to spread them out.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

I’m retiring from this thread. I am shocked by the response I got from my last post. The reply was so over the top, offensive and sarcastic. I tried reasoning but the replies were always so sarcastic and over the top. I’m not sure if I’l be coming back to Thunder’s again. I’m feeling too much negativity here and I’m feeling my depression coming back, even though I’m on anti-depressants. It’s better for my health if I don’t come back, atleast for a few months. Thunder’s place will always have a place in my heart for all the positive things it has brought me and other’s. Thunder, I thank you for what you created for us here. You will always be the man.

No hard feelings to anyone here. I’m just not enjoying feeling like I have to defend myself everytime I come here and get insulted for trying to be helpful to others. It just makes me feel really sad and down and I have too much of that in my life already.

Like I said, no hard feelings anyone. Maybe I’l see you again some day.

Peace.

GG


There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world: and that is an idea whose time has come.


Last edited by Gottagrow : 09-18-2005 at .

Hey GG,

Do me a small favor before you take a break please. Read your posts where you tried to get people to calm down with a critical eye.

BTW, you could just stay out of this thread, no reason to leave the forum. :)


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“Do me a small favor before you take a break please. Read your posts where you tried to get people to calm down with a critical eye.”

Did it work Thunder? Unfortunately it didn’t and after trying to reason with him, the negative, unfriendly replies kept coming. I didn’t have a problem with what I said being questioned. It is the way in which it was questioned. I feel like everything I have said has been unfairly twisted and I resent the fact that I’m starting to feel like being violent, which I use to have a big problem with because of other issues. Thunder, I am going to bow out as gracefully as I can before I say something I regret. I am close to saying things that would get me banned. I resent the way that everything I have said has been twisted and shoved back in my face with unfair accusations, put forward in a really unfriendly mannor, when I was only trying to be helpful. I’ll see you around Thunder.

GG


There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world: and that is an idea whose time has come.


Last edited by Gottagrow : 09-18-2005 at .

Now I feel bad. I feel like GG got caught in the crossfire here. Hobby was making fun of me and my approach. I am very pro-anecdotal evidence, very pro-hearsay, especially when it comes from people with knowledge in the field. That’s how I accumulated the list of links in my signature. Now true, some of those things coincidentally have double-blind, placebo-controlled studies connected with them, like Zestra and the pheromones, but that’s not why I heard about them or why I recommend them. There’s a value in what people say, there’s a value in experiential knowledge.

The irony is that now I am the author of a double-blind, placebo-controlled protocol. I suppose now that I have achieved some level of scientific credibility, depending on the results, I should rest on my laurels and stop talking and listening online.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg

Well it’s going to take a couple years for the study results to be published. And of course I may be wrong. I think time to take a breather and focus on my own situation, which is pretty desperate anyhow, and stop being such a sexual evangelist. Time for my science to speak for itself.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg

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