Extreme EQ, EF, and greater PE gains, thru herbal/pharma, and 2 technique/habits
Greetings forum members, this will be my first official thread here I think, unless i posted the “Urethral Tadalafil” thread here as well.
And If i did not, I’ll paste that for my 2nd thread rofl: cool:
This thread is here to explain how one can achieve a great improvement in:
1. Erection Frequency
2. Erection Quality
3. Flaccid heat, flaccid length, and flaccid girth
4. Ease and quickness of achieving erection.
5. Ease of achieving multiple-orgasm, Tantric “marathons”
6. And most importantly, aid in PE gains
It will be very wordy and detailed, and somewhat clinical in demeanor, but i think some of my personal experience will greatly help others seeking the 6 things listed above. And I feel I owe this to the forum, as the forum has helped me learn much about the natural/herbal supplements, and PE techniques, in a short time. Boards like this are a true blessing imho.
This first technique may initially seem difficult or even slightly dangerous, but I have done it for around ten years, and once you get the hang of it, the body reacts to it easier and easier subsequent times. Perhaps older users or users with respiratory/heart problems should not try it, as fair warning.
I used to have some difficulty, especially after orgasm, of re-achieving full erection, without resorting to holding my lungs full of very deep breaths, while frantically stroking just under the head until needing to catch my breath. I used to achieve tantric sex like this, but it was socially awkward and possibly dangerous, as my blood oxygen levels might have dropped to very poor levels for 5-10 seconds. I always wondered if this technique was similar, at least in blood chemistry, to the chemical reaction occuring in some of the asphyxiation fetishists, but i never found out. Perhaps others who know more about blood chemistry and such things can theorize or explain why this technique can achieve a near immediate re-erection, re-orgasm, even just minutes after previous orgasms. It can be used for many orgasms in succession, although after the 3rd or fourth, the orgasms are weak and nearly dry, unless short breaking for rest or hydration is done.
I urge everyone to try this if they have not already, as an introduction to tantric sex. The detailed description is like this: About 15 seconds after your first orgasm ends, resume stroking/masturbating, take in as deep a breath as you possibly can, and hold it. Then try to take in even smaller “top off” breaths to increase the amount of air in your lungs. Your lungs should feel so full, and it will be slightly uncomfortable, but hold it in. This whole time, you should be rapidly stimulating your glans, and over 20 seconds or so, you will feel the urge to expel the huge breath, and take in another. But you must hold the breath in, until you feel orgasm coming, and it will. When the orgasm feels as if it is certain, back off the stroking slightly, and let out the breath, taking in another deep breath as deep as you can, and more top off breaths. Edge towards orgasm again, which should be a very short time, and after edging like this 2-3 times, you should be back at at least a 90% erection. After that you can resume intercourse or masturbation as you normally would, and go for the 2nd orgasm. The longer you wait to deliver the 2nd orgasm, the higher the volume of semen will be. But it will no doubt be a lower volume than your first orgasm, markedly so.
This above breath technique was my first technique, to produce more frequent erections and multiple orgasms, back-to-back in short periods of time, that I discovered as a young teenager. I remember not long after discovering it, it was not uncommon for me to take long showers (LOL) during which i would have sessions of 6-7 orgasms in approx. 30 minutes or so. It was very rare for me to have less than 3 orgasms during masturbation as a teenager, and often this would take under 15 minutes. I quickly grew to love this breath technique, and it also helped my Cardio as an athelete, as my lung capacity and lung strength was increased.
However, the EQ of the subsequent erections was often less compared to the initial erection, unless i edged several times more, for each subsequent orgasm, and even then, overall, sometimes after marathon masturbation sessions of 5 or more orgasms without break, my EQ and flaccid hang would decrease for at least 18-24 hours after the marathon. It was still always possible to get an erection with manual stimulation, but the vigor with which it went up, and the overall hardness when it was up, was somewhat less for the following day after these 7-orgasm or more marathons. Sometimes certain meals/foods helped to bring about a quicker return to full EQ/EF, but as a teenager, i did not understand the relationship of certain foods to this.
I also noticed that following masturbation orgasm, my desire was not strong following orgasm, yet after intercourse orgasm, especially when I remained still during orgasm, and especially in looser partners, I seemed to retain far more desire to both immediately seek a 2nd orgasm, but also retained more desire during the following day, with no “drop off” or recovery needed. I did not fully understand at the time, and theorized on anything from divine design to something like “self subliminal punishment”, and many other things. I had no idea why or what caused this, but I knew by feeling that something was different.
Later, almost by accident, I found a 2nd, incredibly simple technique/practice/habit, that explained why my post-masturbation libido/eq to that point, was less, when compared to my post-intercourse libido/EQ. This 2nd simple habit/practice/technique is what allowed not only for a far greater EQ of these subsequent erections, but also for a much longer/thicker/warmer and heavier flaccid hang, as well as a much stronger desire for intercourse or masturbation, at literally any time. this practice/technique, after some time, eliminated “turtling” altogether, even before my aggressive supplementation and dietary habits began. this technique, for a presumably physiological reason unknown to me, seems to be able to give full orgasm pleasure, and full release of semen, yet somehow seems to retain nearly all of the desire and yearn, as if one had never orgasmed. If you try it, you will see what I mean.
Prior to discovering this, during masturbation orgasm, I used to agressively, with pressure, stroke the head and glans, particularly focusing the friction on the prepuce/Coronal ring (bottom ring of glans where it attaches to shaft). While agressive rubbing of the prepuce/corona does produce what i would call the “highest quality orgasmic sensation”, it, without exception, and everytime I have done it, seems to drain desire and fire from the libido for 18-24 hours. I assume the reason is a mediation of the cGMP cycle by fine nerve endings concentrated in the glans/prepuce/corona/frenulum.
Nonetheless, when orgasming, either during intercourse, or masturbation, and abstaining from any direct, pressured friction to the glans/prepuce/corona, desire and erection seem to remain. Ejaculate volume is still about 90% of what it normally would be during glans/prepuce/corna stimulation. The orgasm is slightly less intense, and only about 80-90% satisfying in comperison, but if glans/prepuce/frenular/coronal friction is absent during orgasm, the erection and desire are retained, and the retention only grows greater with long periods of abstaining from glans or coronal/prepuce friction/stimulation during orgasm. After several weeks of doing this, my desire was almost at early puberty levels, even though it was nearly a decade later. i noticed myself with urges I hadn’t felt in some time, urges to impregnate even moderately attractive females. Not intercourse, but the specific desire to impregnate was vivid.
i have continued doing this for around 5 years now. Only 4 times have I tested this, by going back to full glans/prepuce/coronal friction during orgasm, and each time I did, I noticed a decrease of EQ and EF the following days, as well as a lowered desire. As soon as i resumed orgasm without friction on the glans/prepuce for a week or so, that burning desire and perpetual 24/7 15% erection (heavy thick flaccid hang) was back again. And when going for the marathons of multiple orgasms, even the 7th or 8th orgasm will still have a very high erection quality, so long as one abstains from glans/prepuce/coronal friction during the orgasms themselves.
It is such a simple technique, but it is well documented that not only do more frequent and turgid erections cause greater enjoyment for both partners, but these sorts of increased blood flow during flaccid states, and as well as increased heat, can aid PE gains, as it is a sort of natural ADS, all day engorgement, albeit a very slight one.
Note that in all stages of intercourse or masturbation leading up to orgasm, I have frequent and even intense friction directed at the glans/prepuce/coronal ridge, and this has no effect either way, I have tested. The lack of glans/prepuce/coronal friction is only required to be absent during orgasm, and also absent in the short periods immediately before and after orgasm.
I have recently decided to embark once again on PE, and to be more dedicated this time, as most of my previous years i had just done some very light stretching/ligpop(never for sustained time), and some “at the urinal jelqs”, just basically minimal exercises when convienient. Ocassionally i would do light pumping as well(jerking in pump), and once a month or so i would do some heavy jelqing/edging/uli/clamping(with cockring) masturbation sessions, but their frequency was always minimal due to inconvienience/schedule/etc. And often i ejaculated at the end of those sessions, losing some of the pump from the session, making the tissue repair happen in a less engorged state.
One of the first things I have done during this last few months of re-embarking, has been lots of research on herbs and their specific compounds, those compounds half-lifes and mechanisms of action. PE forums and their users have been a catalyst blessing in this regard. i have basically assembled a lengthy list of Herbs, barks, and aminos, based partly on existing libido products formulas, partly on PE forum users’ recommendation, and partly on my own knowledge of nutrition and diet.
Let me first preface by saying that I naturally eat alot of Garlic, Onions, Cumin, Turmeric, Fenugreek, Black pepper, Rosemary, Cayenne, and Ginger, as well as many other spices/culinary herbs, fruits and vegetables which keep the body healthy and strong, but the aforementioned spices/garlic/onions have the greatest benefit to PE, as they are vasodialators and co-factors for certain reactions of the sexual organs. So of course that will continue. i have also within the last year or so been taking high end liquid multivitamins daily, and I’m sure this has not hurt. Nor has increased water intake. But let me get to the PE-specific supplements, and the supplements, which I believe have been the most important to my recent upsurge of off the charts, best-in-my-life, yes “better than puberty” erection quality and erection frequency. I am not exaggerating.
The following list is quite extensive, and yes, I understand many of you may have concerns of high dosage when coupled with the multi-vitamin, but all the levels are within USDA upper limits. I am also a large person, well over 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. with a high metabolism and high usage rate of most vitamins and minerals, so perhaps smaller, less active people should take accordingly smaller doses. While this difference is slight, not directly proportional to BMI but more gradual, feel free to make your own changes.
Here is what I have been taking, every alternate day unless specified, taking 3 days off in a row twice monthly, as to not let the body get too used to them, in addition to the tantric breathing, and lack of glans/prepuce friction during orgasm, and the dietary/vitamins previously noted in this thread:
Zinc amino acid chelate 30mg monday, 50mg wednesday, 80mg saturday
Maca root powder 3 grams
Hemp & Whey powder (BioChem) 15 grams
Nutiva Organic HempShake 30 grams
Egg Albumin Protein peptide 800mg
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate 2:1 1200mg (only twice weekly)
L-Arginine 1800mg )
L-Ornithine 585mg (from 750mg L-Ornithine HCL)
L-Lysine 2000mg (from 2500mg l-Lysine HCL)
Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega 5ml
Nordic Naturals Omega 3-6-9 5ml
Alpha Lipoic Acid 300mg (best all purpose antioxidant, increased nerve health for sensitivity)
Lots of Sesame/Canola/Coconut/Olive oils when cooking, I mean lots!
Stinging Nettle leaf/root powder 90mg (DHT blocker to protect hair/prostate from hormone increase)
Nettle Root extract 16:1 10mg “
Tribulus Terrestris concentrate 150mg (80mg sterols) (mild plant steroidal effect, hormone increaser)
Ginseng root 1500mg (150mg ginsenosides) (very light hormone increase, sterols)
Bee Pollen 1140mg (sterols, vasodialator, in addition to nutrition benefits)
Bee Propolis 2:1 extract 150mg
Royal Jelly Concentrate 90mg (=300mg royal jelly)
Oat Tops Extract 5:1 (Avena Sativa) 500mg (saponins, beta-sitasterol, very very mild steroidal effect)
Epimedium Leaf (Goat weed) 50mg (Saponins, PDE5 inhibitor like Viagra/Cialis, quercetin source)
Gotu Kola leaf/stem 500mg
Saw Palmetto berry 150mg (prevents T to DHT conversion to protect hair/prostate from hormone increase)
Siberian Eleuthero root 100mg (adaptogen, adrenal stimulant, ginseng cofactor)
Fo-Ti root 100mg (natural chrysin like effects)
Licorice Root 50mg (possible discontinuation pending further phytoestrogen research)
Gingko Biloba 150mg (24% glycosides[antioxidant], 6% terpene lactones) (improves bloodflow thru vasodialation, decreases stress)
Damiana leaf powder 500mg
Sarsaparilla root 50mg (Saponins, phytosterols and co-factor for ginseng)
Wild Yam Extract 100mg (possibly discontinuing pending further progesterone research)
Cassia Bark 50mg
Pine bark Extract 100mg (oligomeric proanthocyanadins to protect hair follicles form any increased hormone)
Liquid Tadalafil .5ml (10mg) (PDE5 inhibitor) (every 3rd=4th day, taking a week off approx. every other week)
With this combination for the last 7 months, my EQ is really insane, it stays super mega throbbing hard once erection is initiated, even during the times when I haven’t taken Cialis for a week. i have achieved a 24/7 perpetual 30% erection, and can quite literally get fully erect on demand in under 2 minutes, with basic manual stimulation, even less time to full throbbing erection with a warm mouth sucking. i mean like rock hard throbbing 110%, and that erection will last and last even past multiple orgasms. As long as the manual stimulation is there, the erection will stay 110% for hours and hours. I have not tested it past maybe 5 hours, or past 11 orgasms, but i am interested to test this out, schedule permitting, as we have all seen the tunica expansion and permanent gains that resulted from high flow priapism.
I have already seen noticaeable gains in both erect length and erect girth, during these several months of supplementation, coupled with erect jelqing/edging/bends, light-clamping(with cockring). I can only imagine what intense exercises are going to do in my next few months of intense PE. In addition to the erect gains, my current flaccid length and width are about 6.25”nbpfl, and around 5.5”fmg, and it is even very hot and sensitive during flaccid hang, expanding and elongating at the most minimal stimulation, sometimes just the reverse kegel of urination will produce a 70% erection, a hard pushing reverse kegel for 20-30 seconds will produce a 90% erection.
It is these noticed gains and extreme EQ/EF which have served as the motivation to really go full blast with focused, dedicated PE.
I am going to focus more on length than girth, and I humbly ask the board to bare with me, as i will be asking some very detailed questions, all of them in earnest, as I attempt to really glean as much knowledge as I can from the PE board members. in doing so, I am quite sure I will help others discover new methods and habits for their own PE.
I am in the process of adding several more supplements, some for very limited overload training use, others for long term use, after i am sure that the side effects can be eliminated by an accompanying supplement. I am also thinking of sourcing many of these aminos and herbal extracts in bulk from various botanical suppliers, as opposed to overpaying for prepackaged supplements in gelatin capsules. And I will update accordingly if these future supplements and bulk herbs/plants have high quality, or an even more pronounced effect on gains.
Wish me luck, and i hope this has helped members of the forum. :cool:
Current size: BPEL: 7.9" EG: 6.75"
Realistic goal: BPEL: 9.25" EG: 7.5"
Unrealistic surgical goal: 12" x 8.5" :)