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Originally Posted by newguy01
Tribulus
Maca
ZMA
Avena Sativa
…..and an anti-estrogenic compound.

I’ve taken Tribulus and Maca before and they didn’t do anything. Never heard of the ZMA and Avena Sativa or an anti-estrogenic compound.

Originally Posted by kingdong69
yeah, plus heavy weights and a ‘testosterone diet’. I done quite a bit research on this before, so to be more specific:

Weights between 5-8reps max. and 3 sets best fob maximising testosterone production. use compond exrcises. and not more thn 12-15 sets in total per workout. work out idealy 30min les than an hour to prevent high cortisol and rest days essential.

Test diet- lots of saturated fat(cream, beef etc) (btw this is healthy; its all lies about saturated fat=evil myth)
moderate protein, some good fish, fruits, vege etc.

And vitamins, vitam a is essential in testosterone production, zinc, magnesium plus b vitamins, c,d etc the usual….

In fact I’m rather stoned atm (so much for my new fitness plan) so just google ‘testosterone diet’ ‘testosterone exercise plan’ etc. Plenty good info floating about the web on this.

I don’t do the weight thing because I’m about 150lbs. soaking wet and have the strength of a 105 year old man.

Originally Posted by Formula1
I don’t do the weight thing because I’m about 150lbs. soaking wet and have the strength of a 105 year old man.

How old are you? Anyone can do weights, old, ill, injured etc. You can do them just once, even twice a week. I weigh a bit less than you and the most I’ve ever weighed was only 165lb @~5’11. I started doing weights at a mere 120lbs. I’m the skinniest, smallest guy in the gym but strong and ripped (when in form).

Originally Posted by kingdong69
How old are you? Anyone can do weights, old, ill, injured etc. You can do them just once, even twice a week. I weigh a bit less than you and the most I’ve ever weighed was only 165lb @~5’11. I started doing weights at a mere 120lbs. I’m the skinniest, smallest guy in the gym but strong and ripped (when in form).

42. I go to the gym about twice a week but the most I ever do is about 60lbs.

Originally Posted by Formula1
42. I go to the gym about twice a week but the most I ever do is about 60lbs.

Well if you already go to the gym you may as well give weightlifting a try. Your strength will shoot up in no time. up to you dude.

ummm……..sorry, but Saturated fat is NOT healthy for you.

That is not a myth at all.

…and you cant throw out a blanket set and rep range as it doesn’t address the most important variable when it comes to adding LBM, and that is
the amount of time the muscle is under tension.


06/21/07 NBP = 7.75(tape) FSL = 7.875 EG = 5.00 Volume= 15.42

09/13/07 NBP = 8.375 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.38 Volume = 19.29 (+25%)

12/26/07 NBP = 8.625 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.50 Volume = 20.82 (+35%)

right then pal. Do some proper research.

Originally Posted by kingdong69
right then pal. Do some proper research.

I love internet gurus.

As far as me doing research, you really have no idea HOW much experience and knowledge I have on these subjects, but that is ok as you obviously know more than me.

So…..

Here are a couple of articles that come up on a simple google search in terms of saturated fat and being heart healthy

http://www.americanheart.org/presen…?identifier=532

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/dga/dga95/lowfat.html

http://www.americanheart.org/presen…identifier=4582

…and there are literally thousands more.

Is there the occasional article that will reference a poorly constructed study that gives conflicting information??

Of course.

There were numerous studies that said that steroids did not work, but we all know better, and the other 99.5% of the studies confirm that fact.

You don’t know what you don’t know.

Slinging a number of reps per set is useless unless you address the several things:

1 - Total speed on concentric
2 - Total speed on eccentric
3 - Total time under load
4 - Intensity as it relates to failure
5 - Intensity boosters such as drop sets, or speed sets

Doing sets of 5-8 reps with a one second concentric and one second eccentric are useless for boosting Test levels, as that would only amount to a few seconds per set (not efficient at ALL for building lean mass (either) and there are numerous studies that I can cite from, but do your own research, and feel free to start another thread and we can discuss it.

Again, I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it, but the real facts are easily discovered.


06/21/07 NBP = 7.75(tape) FSL = 7.875 EG = 5.00 Volume= 15.42

09/13/07 NBP = 8.375 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.38 Volume = 19.29 (+25%)

12/26/07 NBP = 8.625 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.50 Volume = 20.82 (+35%)

Actually mate I have a honours degree in sports and exercise science and have spent the last 4 years studying amongst other things exercise, nutrition and biochemistry. So know a fair amount on the subject. Not only that I have been working with professionals and working out myself, ‘experimenting with my body’ on and off for the last 8 years and know how different diets, exercise regimes effect the body (or more specifically mine, what works for one may not work for another). If anyone is really interested in the subject they can look up online scientific journals and even just look at the abstracts, even just do Google searches or buy some biochemistry, physiology books.

Mate??

You would not be from the UK would you?


06/21/07 NBP = 7.75(tape) FSL = 7.875 EG = 5.00 Volume= 15.42

09/13/07 NBP = 8.375 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.38 Volume = 19.29 (+25%)

12/26/07 NBP = 8.625 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.50 Volume = 20.82 (+35%)

Sure, you make some valid points, ideally should be under tension for at least 20-30 seconds but definitely not more than a minute or the intensity is too low. I wasn’t;t really specific in my posts, just giving some general points. e.g. you should use compound exercises i.e. squats, bench press etc, these stimulate more testosterone production and doing your maximum weight of between 5-8 reps is the ideal intensity. Previously it was thought slower, longer movements were better but other studies have shown that a simple 1-0-1 tempo is just as effective as slower movements. 3 sets of an exercise is more effective than 1 or more than 3. And workouts should be short and intense to maximise testosterone whilst preventing increases in cortisol.

As for saturated fat, obviously too much is bad but it is a healthy fat and essential for staying alive and many processes in the body. Trans and hydrogenated fats and too much omega 6 are bad.

Originally Posted by newguy01
I love internet gurus.

As far as me doing research, you really have no idea HOW much experience and knowledge I have on these subjects, but that is ok as you obviously know more than me.

So..

Here are a couple of articles that come up on a simple google search in terms of saturated fat and being heart healthy

Http://www.americanheart.org/presen…?identifier=532

Http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/dga/dga95/lowfat.html

Http://www.americanheart.org/presen…identifier=4582

.And there are literally thousands more.

Is there the occasional article that will reference a poorly constructed study that gives conflicting information??

Of course.

There were numerous studies that said that steroids did not work, but we all know better, and the other 99.5% of the studies confirm that fact.

You don’t know what you don’t know.

Slinging a number of reps per set is useless unless you address the several things:

1 - Total speed on concentric
2 - Total speed on eccentric
3 - Total time under load
4 - Intensity as it relates to failure
5 - Intensity boosters such as drop sets, or speed sets

Doing sets of 5-8 reps with a one second concentric and one second eccentric are useless for boosting Test levels, as that would only amount to a few seconds per set (not efficient at ALL for building lean mass (either) and there are numerous studies that I can cite from, but do your own research, and feel free to start another thread and we can discuss it.

Again, I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it, but the real facts are easily discovered.

In my opinion a leading cause of erectile dysfunction is McDonalds and Burger King! Saturated fat clogs up the arteries in your dick first then it starts to clog up the arteries in your heart.

1- does this mean slow going up ( slower than one second obviously)
2- slow going down
3- slow up and down puts a larger burden on the muscle being worked.
4- intensity as in I can’t lift any more.
5- what is a drop set?
I would add don’t lock the joints, elbows or knees. This way your muscles get the brunt of the weight load.


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