Enlargel

Yes, I did.

And the only reason I even posted was because the thread had been started and I had just received the product . Is there some issue here that I am not aware of?

789

The reason I posted here, is that like 789 I received a free 30 day supply from Rob for being a Moderator. I liked the product so much that I wanted to see if there was any buzz here at Thunders. Much to my surprise, I found nothing but negative postings at the start of this thread. People are sooo quick to condem things they don’t understand. To me, this gel is unique from anything I’ve ever tried. I too went the pills, patches, creams route and anything else that I thought would help me in my goals from PE.

As I stated earlier, I have nothing to gain giving this product a positive review. I just feel, as word of mouth gets around the different PE communities, this is going to be a mighty hot seller. As for not being a regular poster…We all got to start sometime. JonPop

I to received the free bottle bottle (same as 789, JP), but I also bought a 90 day supply prior to receiving the one free bottle. So as for receiving the free bottle, it has absolutely nothing to do with the review that I gave. By the way this is not the first thread I have posted in. I have been a member here for as long as I have been at Betterman. I just choose to post more there than here. I like to come here and read about certain things, and if I find something that strikes my fancy I post to it.

It is my belief that questions are good but accusations are unwanted.

“Since Androstenedione is synthesized into testosterone, it’s supplementation _likely_ (emphasis mine) increases testosterone production and the androgenic properties associated with testosterone. German studies have shown up to a 237% increase in free testosterone levels after a small dose of androstenedione.”

It’s apparent that Rob or whoever is formulating this has no more than the faintest idea what they are doing with respect to the hormonal component of this stuff. And those of you who use it have no idea how your own hormonal balances are being affected - unless you are monitoring your T, free T, and E levels all the while you use it.

I don’t think there are any accusations towards people (certainly not from me), all the Betterman mods that have posted in this thread have been very upfront (though I would expect nothing less :) ).

My personal reservations (and possibly the reason my observations came across as harsh) are as to the forumlation of this when it is pitched as a “Permanent Penile Enlargement” gel, when it actually looks like an erection gel. I realise that there is some overlap in the both these objectives but they’re not the same.

The site states that the gel has a “two-fold systemic approach”. It goes on to name the benefits of those two approaches as:

1. Vasodilators.
2. Androgen-Precursors (Fwiw, one is an actual androgen in its own right, but that’s just me being picky).
3. Penile tissue softener.

This two-fold system is further explained by way of the ingredients, stating whether each component is a vasodilator, androgen-precursor or both.

For Point 1 above, I accept that it is good for an optimal environment (though I dispute the wisdom of the ingredient choice which is another topic altogether).

Point 2 may be helpful depending on the intended axis for growth (though again I dispute the use of an aromatisable androgen in there, which is also for another topic.)

But Point 3, well, point 3 is a very interesting and relatively unknown area. It is something that I reasearch every day for long periods, so it is with great interest that I carefully read on. But where is it? More importantly what is it? Is it the ‘Gel’? (the one that isn’t listed?). It probably sounds like I’m trying to destroy this product which is unfair of me since I haven’t even tried it, but I’m still stuck at the ‘attract’ stage of the sale and can’t make it to the ‘close’. My mind won’t let me because it asks questions. Understand that I want this product to work. I really, really - Really want a product to do this. I just don’t see it between the lines.

If there were no carriers it would just be powder. Since it is a gel but the gel ingredients aren’t listed, it raises a few eyebrows. It may be something as innocent as Alo Vera, or PG, water or alcohol. But it isn’t listed, and I’m pretty sure that if it’s in there it should be on the label.

Shiver,

This is a response straight from Rob answering a question over at Betterman.

This question is from a user

”- Is this formulated from any soy products? I believe those have estrogen-like precursors, which would be detrimental to the product. What sort of delivery mechanism and type is it? Water-based? Oil-based? I’m hoping for unrefined coconut oil, but likely that would make it cost a lot more and it’s not very well known for any positive uses. ”

This is Rob’s response

“It is a water based delivery system. I am not at liberty to discuss much on this as it is proprietary.”

Hope this helps.

Thanks for that Incubus.

Even people like Avant Labs that charge $60 just for a carrier with no actives still list the ingredients though.

Hmmm…..where have I heard this before?

Yes, Jonpop my message was negative.

Because.

The name Enlarge gives the impression that it will enlarge the penis both lengthwise and girth.

But looking at the listed ingredients they can only enlage the girth, not the length. whether it is a permanent condition is not stated, and most who have commented have made the point that it has given a good flaccid hang. But only it seems for a while. ie not permanent except by repeated application

Again, on another poste I have made the point that pill manufacturerscan justify their claims by stating the length has increased but fail to mention that it is the increase of flaccid to erect length.

Also I have mentioned elsewhere that if a pill was able to increase the length of ligaments (sorry that sounds clumsy) it would increase the length of all ligaments, so would be a very undesirable condition! So unless someone can point to length gains I do not see I have made deliberately misleading negative comments, but have criticised the suggested gains.

Petit

What I meant is that it would take a little more than water, aloe vera, and good luck for it to reach deep enough to do any good. We could make batches ourself and use Vaseline as a carrier if it was that basic. I really don’t need a skin softener, Vitamin E oil works great for that.

AH

I agree about the carrier. Between us I think we could make a class leading carrier and offer it out there for free. What I was getting at was the claim of the only new and interesting part of this product is carefully (or ignorantly) skirted around completely. My own interpretation of a ‘skin softener’ was obviously different to yours. I thought that it meant more slippable sheaths, but either way, vagueness allows misinterpretation. The disinformation between a systemic and local useage is quite incredible to me. Why put it on your unit if it is systemic? That is so misleading.

I could write a whole essay on this, but I’m sure it could only reflect badly and appear I had a financial axe to grind. I do have an axe to grind, just not a financial one so I’ll say less.

How many of those ingedients can be ground down small enough to absorb through the skin even using an appropriate carrier?

Interesting, this was the new product on offer in a recent e-mail from Power Jelq. Some very positive feedback, I may well add it to my already extensive list of purchases, out of curiosity.

As usual, impossible to order! However they requested further information on the problem, so that is promising at least. I used the link in the e-mail I mentioned before.

So what I’m getting from this thread is that it increases flaccid hang and may help give you stronger erections. Is that it? Seems like there are much cheaper ways of doing this even without rubbing cream on your dick.