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DHT Questions

Hey got a question. Just read on the forum (doing a search) that someone said DHT is necessary for growth, is that true? If it is true then why do so many members recommend zinc and saw palmetto which are 2 known DHT blockers? Thanks ahead of time, just wanted to know if i have to stop taking these or not.


Start:7.5 BPEL X 5 MSEG

Goal: 7 MSEG

Heere We GOOooh!

Originally Posted by LordVayne
Hey got a question. Just read on the forum (doing a search) that someone said DHT is necessary for growth, is that true? If it is true then why do so many members recommend zinc and saw palmetto which are 2 known DHT blockers? Thanks ahead of time, just wanted to know if i have to stop taking these or not.


DHT is needed for growth during puberty, after puberty it’s necessary for regulating the prostate gland and testes.

Quote
…For penile growth, both testosterone and DHT
are required. However, the androgen receptor (AR) in
the penis will disappear after puberty and testosterone
suppletion in adults will not result in extra penile
growth [1]…

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x01afa19qcpr2k7d/


I assume you’re referring to penile growth?


I'm a big fan of 50 Cent, or as we call him in Zimbabwe, four hundred million dollars.

Yes yes, i meant penis growth, sorry i should have specified.


Start:7.5 BPEL X 5 MSEG

Goal: 7 MSEG

Heere We GOOooh!

LordVayne your goal sounds like an epic mother fucker. Good luck with it.

Back on topic - I’m looking at buying some from: http://www.allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml

Just emailed them to see if they post to Australia, if that’s OK I will be rolling the dice with this overseas company!


Start; NBPEL: 6.0" EG: 4.4" (August, 2009)

Goal; NBPEL: 7.0" EG: 6.0"

Struggling with EQ, caffeine addiction and being overweight :-(

According to the dosage instructions on the site they recommend 5G, should be massaged, daily into the skin over the thorax, abdomen and inner thighs, and allowed to dry.

I wondering what happens if you just rub it directly onto your dick and balls, or maybe use it as a lube whilst jelqing or pumping. After all they suggest you rub it onto your chest to eliminate man tits.

However if you use this gel for lube during sex, your woman’s sweet voice may become that of Darth Vader.


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Originally Posted by TheInfinity
Back on topic - I’m looking at buying some from: http://www.allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml

Just emailed them to see if they post to Australia, if that’s OK I will be rolling the dice with this overseas company!


Do some research before you spend your money.

First - understand what Andractim is. It is not “testosterone gel” as advertised on that site. It’s a chemical concoction of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which is a metabolite of testosterone. Perhaps that’s why you want to buy it.

Second - Andractim or androstanolone, will not enlarge your penis as an adult. See the link in Tossed Salad’s post above.

Third - Andractim is not listed on any legitimate drug information site such as pdr.net or rxlist.com. It is on drugs.com, which says it may be available outside the USA, but gives no other information. Almost all Google seach findings for the name result in penis enlargement sites. No legitimate research, university or pharmaceutical sites are found for this “drug.”

Fourth - Australia has strict import rules for androgenic substances…

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/m…p-precursor.htm

…and if you’re caught bringing it into the country it could cause you some trouble.

Quote
…For penile growth, both testosterone and DHT
are required. However, the androgen receptor (AR) in
the penis will disappear after puberty and testosterone
suppletion in adults will not result in extra penile
growth [1]…

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x01afa19qcpr2k7d/

I’ve seen this information, and it makes sense, but as I asked in another thread, can anyone explain the clinically shown enlargement with testosterone and DHT on post puberty micro-penis? I don’t understand how if the receptors disappear after puberty, how this would be effective for growth in a micro-penis, and then why it should not be effective for a non micro-penis.

Do you have links to relevant studies?

Originally Posted by westla90069
Do you have links to relevant studies?

The following study showed enlargement success for patients suffering from hypogonadism when treated with HRT and an extender

http://www.andromedical.com/pdf/en/…on_patients.pdf

I suppose only those who suffer from hypogonadism could grow their penises by injecting testosterone. Maybe their AR receptors are still in the penis and maybe they get to close only after the growth occured, in the presence of testosterone. They also used extenders.

Most of us here don’t suffer from hypogonadism I guess. I don’t. I also think injecting testosterone for penis growth, given the fact my test levels are OK (thank God for that) is very idiotic. That would just mess with my HPTA and my natural test levels and might just put me on HRT for the rest of my life, way earlier than I should.

Also, note that DHT is the sole substance responsible for male pattern baldness. Note sure at all how rubbing it on your dick would contribute to that though.

Seems folks here are having good luck just tugging on it, and the theory is that we are not really so much growing tissue as is done when you are growing from child to adult as we are deforming it in a controlled way.


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Originally Posted by dtwarren1942
The following study showed enlargement success for patients suffering from hypogonadism when treated with HRT and an extender

http://www.andromedical.com/pdf/en/…on_patients.pdf


Something’s fishy about this one.

It’s from a site that sells penis enlargement devices. The authors are real and they have reported on studies done regarding erectile dysfunction, but this particular “study” does not show up in PubMed (although others by these authors, do). You’d think if it was legitimate this study would be important enough to be found in the national science database. BTW, the correct spelling of the name of the lead researcher is Sokol’shchik.

I’m calling bullshit. (No disrespect to dtwarren1942 who happened upon it.)

Can’t remember if this study was posted before:
“The Effect of Testosterone on Androgen Receptors and Human Penile Growth”

….we investigated the effects of androgen deprivation and supplementation on the developing human penis.
….
A total of 15 normal human fetal penises at 7 to 19 weeks of gestation (mean plus or minus standard deviation 12 −/− 4.5) was divided in half sagittally. Specimens were grafted beneath the renal capsule of male athymic nude mice or nude rats. Three groups of host animals were prepared, including 10 with no testosterone that were castrated at grafting, 15 with testosterone and 5 with super testosterone in which 50 mg. testosterone propionate pellets were implanted subcutaneously at grafting. Each fetal penile specimen was its own control, since half was implanted into an intact animal and the other into a castrated or super testosterone host. Six weeks after grafting the specimens were analyzed for gross size (length), histology and expression of androgen receptors
….
Results

All human fetal penile specimens grew from the nadir size ….
Normal grafts were larger than castrate specimens (mean 6.9 −/− 2.1 versus 3.9 −/− 2.1 mm., p = 0.014). Mean length of the super testosterone specimens (7.3 −/− 2.3 mm.) was not significantly greater than that of normal specimens
….
http://www.jurology.com/article/S00…4400-8/abstract

Originally Posted by trips
I’ve seen this information, and it makes sense, but as I asked in another thread, can anyone explain the clinically shown enlargement with testosterone and DHT on post puberty micro-penis? I don’t understand how if the receptors disappear after puberty, how this would be effective for growth in a micro-penis, and then why it should not be effective for a non micro-penis.


I’m guessing the deactivation of AR receptors has something to do with the growth during puberty which people with hypogonadism/micropenis don’t seem to experience. Perhaps once you’ve reached your maximum potential as determined by your DNA, the AR receptors then switch off?

So far there’s nothing entirely conclusive about the reason why DHT treatment works in hypogonadism/micropenis cases.

And the evidence for DHT supplementation in PE is skewed because all anecdotal evidence has also followed a PE routine.


I'm a big fan of 50 Cent, or as we call him in Zimbabwe, four hundred million dollars.

For anyone considering testosterone injections, or using andractim for the purposes of penis enlargement, there are two things I want to say:

One: As stated above, this is not going to work

Two: If you choose to ignore the fact that it is not going to work: PLEASE read up on Post Cycle Therapy. You can find information on this subject at just about any bodybuilding forum, as well as just across the internet. These substances ARE anabolic steroids, and it is very important to restore your body as close to “normal” as you can as fast as you can after a steroid cycle (which is what using one of the above drugs would be).

(One may say that the amount of DHT that would be absorbed from andractim (which is between 10-20% of the amount that is applied to the skin) would not be enough to affect HPTA, but who wants to chance that? If you use enough to have any affect on your body, you will be using enough to affect your body’s natural chemistry.)


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

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