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Are Viagra generics gone in 2005?

Perhaps a little off topic, but I noticed the other day that viagra has a molecular weight of 666.7 daltons. In normal talk that means it would possibly be effective topically provided the relevant tissues were permiable. If that’s the case (and I haven’t tried it yet), then you may be able to use a tiny fraction of the dose used systemically, which would make any side effects much less severe.

This is pure speculation at this point. I’ll try it out and post results sometime towards the back end of January.

When ordering generics from the Internet do not be surprised if the are not 100 mg as advertised but less. My experience has been that I need to take a higher dose with the generics from India to get the same effect.

Originally Posted by Keith Max
When ordering generics from the Internet do not be surprised if the are not 100 mg as advertised but less. My experience has been that I need to take a higher dose with the generics from India to get the same effect.

The reasoning for this is because Pfizer viagra uses higher quality of Sildenafil (100.21% or there abouts) the highest generic I have used was Silagra in the mid 90’s.

For generics since they do not have patents for viagra they must use a slightly lower quality to have the customers who really need high quality to pay extra for it and keep things fair.

You can order very high quality Sildenafil in powder form but what you do with it is your own risk.

Originally Posted by Shiver
The main risk with viagra is that it can lower blood pressure quite a bit. It preferentially targets PDE-5 which is an enzyme mostly local to the smooth muscle, but it doesn’t *exclusively* target PDE-5. What you might find with 100mg is that is doesn’t work any better than perhaps 25 or 50mg, but the side effects become greater. For anyone taking blood pressure meds it’s probably a big no no.

Either way it makes much more sense to start out low and see how you get on with it.

Viagra is not a no-no for those of us who are hypertensive and take meds for it.

The story of Pfizer’s Viagra is interesting in this light. It was originally designed to be an anti-hypertension drug. During field trials of Viagra the supervising doctors and chemists were very disappointed to find that it was lousy at lowering blood pressure; it only did so by a relatively small degree of both systolic and diastolic.

However, men in the trials were reporting that they were getting frequent and firm erections. Pfizer very quickly realized the potential bonanza and changed their entire focus on their new drug: it became an erection pill instead of the B/P med it was designed to be.

Normally, men who are hypertensive can combine their anti-hypertension drugs with Viagra with no ill effect. Men who are _hypo_-tensive, with very low blood pressure, need to be especially careful in taking this drug.


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Originally Posted by Kleanup
The reasoning for this is because Pfizer viagra uses higher quality of Sildenafil (100.21% or there abouts) the highest generic I have used was Silagra in the mid 90’s.

I also have also noticed that Silagra is the strongest generic.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Originally Posted by Shiver
Perhaps a little off topic, but I noticed the other day that viagra has a molecular weight of 666.7 daltons. In normal talk that means it would possibly be effective topically provided the relevant tissues were permiable. If that’s the case (and I haven’t tried it yet), then you may be able to use a tiny fraction of the dose used systemically, which would make any side effects much less severe.

This is pure speculation at this point. I’ll try it out and post results sometime towards the back end of January.

I know its only mid Jan. but have you tried it yet Shiver? I’ve just ordered some viagra for the first time and wouldn’t mind trying it topically. What should I do? Grind up a small part of a tab (say a tenth of a 100mg) mix with a drop of water and rub it on my dick? Do you think this would be safe for a female SO?

BTW Congrats on the 1000th post!


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I haven’t tried it. The only carrier that I have here which would be capable of pulling it across the stratum corneum is DUSA 60 (dmso, deionised water, urea, glycerol). Although this has a low smell compared to most dmso preperations it does still smell, and that wouldn’t be good for intimate activities like being in the same room as your partner :) A dermaroller might be another way. I’m not sure what part you should rub it into anyway. I know erections are said to be caused by smooth muscle relaxation, but I never bothered to work out exactly where that is. Perhaps WestLA, Luvadus somebody could chime in on that one.

If you were using dmso then you could likely rub it on the tip of your toe and still get penis action in seconds - it’s that potent. I’m told that it is only impurities in dmso that cause the offensive smell though, so if by chance you were able to happen upon some ‘medical grade’ (which I believe is 99.99% rather than 99.9%) then you might have a winner.

Me? I’d just pop some cialis.

I just ordered viagra off of www.erectionshop.com yesterday, does anybody know what generic they carry? After reading some posts I hope it’s Silagra.

Originally Posted by genesis
I just ordered viagra off of www.erectionshop.com yesterday, does anybody know what generic they carry? After reading some posts I hope it’s Silagra.

Anyone else use this site???

Genesis: Did you require a perscription, or need to fill out an on-line questionaire??

Shiver,

Good info about the molecular weight of Viagra. In addition to the transdermal angle, I suspect at that relatively modest MW that it would go like a rocket if used sublingually (under the tongue, directly through the oral mucosa into the blood stream). It might taste like fermented Yak butter though - however, given that a sublingual dose of say 5 milligram might give one the same punch as a 25 milligram tablet that is injested, the effective cost savings would be significant. One possible way to ameliorate the taste might be to make a paste by crushing a tablet and mixing it with something stronger (like brandy or maybe chocolate). Time to get my mortar, pestel, and flavorings kit out and have a go.

All the Best,

MrTiPS

I used erectionshop.com and had no problems. No questionairre or anything. Got it in about 3 weeks. Works ok, a little less strength than the real deal, (V). I tried 1/4 of a 100mg pill, but didn’t do much, so I took 50mg and it worked…gave me a headache and clogged my sinuses overnight, but it worked.

Chongo

What type was it? Did it have a name on the package? I’m glad you got prompt delivery.

MrTips

Some places sell flavored melt Viagra already, I sometimes chew a quarter and swallow a quarter it seems to work faster.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

There are valid stateside places to get the medications. www.yournetdoc.com There are specialty places as well that make a low cost version of sildenafil and similar products. www.taloncompounding.com


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Talons

Yournetdoc charges 13 bucks per 100mg Viagra that’s the rip off we are trying avoid. I couldn’t find any price list at the other place at all.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Dino.. that is true.. the compound or generic version is much cheaper. The other place does not post prices. A lot depends on access to a doctor. That is part of the cost in most cases.


Masters of the art of life draw no sharp distinction between work and play. Their labor and leisure, their mind and body, their education and recreation... They hardly know which is which. To them, they always seem to be doing both.

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