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Anti-Estrogen

Anti-Estrogen

I know it has positive effects in building muscle, but will it shrink testicle size? I actually heard it makes them bigger. Was just trying to get opinions and do some homework before i buy and intake it. Anyone have any experience or knowlege of it?


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No it doesn’t shrink your testicles. I have taken 6-oxo anti-estrogen a couple of times.

Did the 6-oxo help your natural test? Did it help you gain strength?

Estrogen blockers like arimidex, nolvadex etc aren’t going to help you gain muscle. Who gave you that idea? It will help stop excess fluid retention and gynecomastia while one is using steroids. I don’t think it will have any effect on your testicles either. Something like clomid will have a definite effect on your testicles. But again, these are all ancilliary drugs to be used in conjunction with anabolic steroids, not by themselves.


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The purpose of anti-estrogen is to lower your estrogen level it really does nothing to your test level, but with a lower estrogen level it is like having high test level. I took it because i got off of an androstene and needed something to bring my test level back to normal and bring my estrogen down. It really helps to cement gains after getting off something like an andro. I have never taken it by itself. If you do take it do not expect extreme gains. I really try to stay away from the hormone stuff. Try taking kre-akalyn, it is a new form of creatine that is far better than the creatine monohydrate. You will see gains with this. Or hell, just take them both and go balls to the wall.

Originally Posted by bigbencherjj

The purpose of anti-estrogen is to lower your estrogen level it really does nothing to your test level, but with a lower estrogen level it is like having high test level.

Studies have shown that using anti-aromatase medications, can boost Testosterone levels.

I’m not saying it will build muscle, or even a good idea.

Taking anti estrogens will raise your test levels. This is because they affect your HYPOTHALAMIC-PITUITARY-GONADAL AXIS( google it for a more detailed explanation than the one you are about to read!). Basically this is the mechanism consisting of : 1, your balls

2, your pituitary gland

3, your hypothalamus

Taking something like nolvadex( which is a weak synthetic estrogen that has stronger bonding properties that your own estrogen)takes up all your estrogen receptor sites. Estrogens provide feedback to the pituitary to modulate the gonadotropin(your balls!) secretion response to each GnRH surge. So with this weak estrogen holding everythging up your body produces more testosterone to make up for the low hormone levlels. Other anti-e’s mostaly modulate the estrogen into an inactive compound so therefore has the same effect on the HPG axis.

Correct me if I’m wrong but anti-aromatase drugs only stop the aromatase enzyme that coverts test to estrogen. They will not make your body produce more test just stop it being converted to estrogen. Also there won’t be much aromatase enzyme in you unless your test levels get really high I.e you are injecting the stuff! So don’t take some expecting it to make a difference unless you are on steroids.

Originally Posted by bigbencherjj

…go balls to the wall.

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I`ve heard that taking Clomid can double or triple your ejac.

Can there be side effects if taking anti-estrogens? I mean wont it mess up my hormones after I take it?

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Correct me if I’m wrong but anti-aromatase drugs only stop the aromatase enzyme that coverts test to estrogen. They will not make your body produce more test just stop it being converted to estrogen. Also there won’t be much aromatase enzyme in you unless your test levels get really high I.e you are injecting the stuff! So don’t take some expecting it to make a difference unless you are on steroids.


Estrogen level is a main feedback mechanism of the testosterone level. Your body regulates testosterone production based in large part on how much estrogen it perceives. If you either fool the sensor using a SERM or actually lower estrogen with an AI, more GnRH is secreted, which results in more LH, causing your nuts to make more testosterone. When testosterone is higher, more of it aromatizes into estrogen.

The body is pretty good at adjusting things to keep levels where it thinks they should be. For example, SHBG increases when E goes up. Makes sense. Higher E indicates higher T, so less testosterone needs to be free.

If you knock E way down with a non-steroidal AI, your body will try to adjust, IIRC by producing more aromatase. When you then stop taking the AI, estrogen rebounds even higher than before. Another negative is with very little estrogen present, estrogen receptors will upregulate. Not good.

SERMs such as clomiphene (Clomid) and tamoxifen (Nolvadex) are estrogen antagonists in some tissues and estrogen agonists in others. Here is a recent article about tamoxifen: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articl…id-nolvadex.htm

Clomiphene and tamoxifen both have some side effects, especially in high doses. I think it’s not wise to risk screwing up your vision, increase the risk of blood clots, etc. for no reason other than to experiment with a prescription drug. Don’t take them unless you need them. Newer SERMs are supposed to be less toxic and more tissue specific.

If you are going to take one start at like 4 pills before you go to bed and then work your way down every week so it would be like 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/3/3/3/3/3/3/3/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/1/1/1/1/ until you finish the cycle this way you wont have a sudden jump in estrogen levels when you get off the anti-estrogen. I recommend rebound xt or novadex xt.


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ATD is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, not an “anti-estrogen.” 4 caps a day is a lot. E will be knocked down quite low. Expect in the short term sore joints and very likely a reduction in libido.

Originally Posted by Nick666
Can there be side effects if taking anti-estrogens? I mean won’t it mess up my hormones after I take it?

It made me feel like I had a cold when I was on full dose of 6-oxo. I cut the dose in half and I felt better. Others have experienced the same symptoms. Nobody has reported any long term problems though the products have been around for less than 10 years so who knows.

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