andractim etc.

Well, since in my last post I shamed myself for not participating more, I’ll throw this out there for what it’s worth.

I’d been stuck at 6”NBP and 7”BP (the 1” discrepancy? don’t ask, that’s a whole other nightmare) for months and months now. Try as I may, it wouldn’t budge.

Last week, I started taking Andractim for pubertal gynecomastia (by the way, getting incredibly fast results compared to anything I’ve read at the gyno forum). A couple of days ago, I measured my master*, and was shocked to see an easy 6.2”NBP. Wondering if maybe I’d started breaking through my fat pad crisis, I measured BP. Lo and behold, 7.25”.

And this was during a week of very little PE, besides light stretching. I have 2 small but painful “cold sores” that currently preclude any more vigorous exercise.

I don’t get it. I’m a long way from believing that andractim+light stretching is the new miracle PE, but I don’t really have another explanation yet. I toyed with the notion that I was just having a firmer erection due to the extra DHT, but this erection wasn’t particularly “special” in any noticeable way. My head didn’t even fill completely (holy yardstick Batman, could I have even more I haven’t measured yet?).

Anyway, I’ll continue to post progress and observations. And y’all know there’s no way I’m not going to experiment with it on my dick. I’m renewing my commitment to be part of the grand experiment here at Thunder’s. After all, it’s my love of science that brought and kept me here.

Oh yeah, and I want a bigger cock.

*that’s a joke, ‘kay? my real master was nailed to wood, not morning wood…

When you make these kind of posts you have always got to list the warnings. Remember that there are a lot of guys just barely old enough to be here who don’t have much education. This is very dangerous.

I am not really surprised by your gains. I think you might get a little more but seriously doubt that the gains will go in indefinitely. Your pubertal gynecomastia suggests sounded some alarms. I think you probably didn’t reach your full genetic potential during puberty. By the way, how old are you? Would you characterize the other aspects of your puberty as normal? I have not studied pubertal gynecomastia but I have a feeling I will be reading up on it in the near future.

Could you tell exactly what you are doing? How much do you apply? How many times/day and all of that? Have you skipped any days? What else are you taking (any medications and supplements) and what have you taken in the past. Are you only applying it to your chest?

What do you have on hand in case you shut down your natural testosterone?

I don’t think anyone else should try this but I think we should learn all we can from you because this information may lead to insights into safer supplementation for the rest of us.

Thank you for your intriguing post and welcome to the forum!

In my early months I seemed to gain from taking short breaks before measuring. I don’t know what mechanism was at play. Did I grow that much during the few rest days? Probably not.

I’ve since had actual shrinkage during periods of consistent intense PE. Odd. But then it later came back a little longer.

I’d guess your new measurement is from a combination of easing up for a few days, allowing Pepe to perk up to his best, along with maybe a little extra boost from the DHT. Your dick is better expressing the gains you have made.

How much has your BPFSL changed?

I have a couple questions for you:

How old are you?
Where do you apply the Andractim to your body?
How much do you use?
How often do you use it?

To be fair, I’ll answer my own questions :-)
I’m 33, I apply 5 grams to the abdomen when I use it, which is not very often.
I use it to get some extra libido going during stressful times when I’m normally not
so horny. I love feeling horny though, so it’s great to have access to this
brilliant product.

I look forward to your answers. I have read that DHT is a big part of male sex organ
growth during fetal development and puberty, but I thought after puberty ended, the
receptors were no longer as receptive. I hope I’m wrong ;-)

BFLR

I’m out of my mind (but you knew that, right?)

latest measurements have “split the difference” no change in BPFSL… but BPFSL is a funny thing for me. I can get 8” if I REALLY want to, but it takes some pre-stretching. I think my measurement will fluctuate depending on my motivation to see something. Also, if I’m even slightly pumped (even so slightly that I hardly notice), my BPFSL goes down. Which is a shame, I think it’s one of the better indicators that something is actually happening UPDATE: okay so typing makes me soft enough to really measure. 8” came easily - after 3 stretches, some wishing, and a good yank, I got an extra 1/8th. Kinda like cheating, except that’s what it usually takes to get 8”.

I agree with the possibility (even likelihood) that it was the rest that did it. I wish I’d done more to cement. C’est la guerre.

IMPORTANT PART! PLEASE READ:
like penismith pointed out, warnings are in order, and this stuff has plenty to warn about. Do not go near it if you’re not done puberty. this could seriously muck things up. DO NOT LET WOMEN OR PREPUBESCENTS COME INTO CONTACT WITH IT AT ALL. (I live with my wife and toddler daughter. I’ve been wearing a shirt 24/7 since I started, and washing hands like a screaming… hand-washer. if any got on my wife, it might just make her hornier - or give her a Tom Selleck moustache; if it got on the kid, it would be like poison, and it may take years to know how I’d turned her upside-down)

BETTER YET: don’t touch this stuff at all. I have serious doubts about its PE usefulness except perhaps in limited cases (hypogonadism, maybe). I’m as likely a candidate as anybody, so just watch this thread. I don’t visit every day, but I’ll definitely post anything interesting. I never have to be reminded to measure my cock.

I started this thread to be the guinea pig, since I’m already taking the stuff. Without some more concrete and promising results, I don’t see the need to recruit additional volunteers. Don’t worry that you’re missing out on something, so far, I’m not convinced there is a something to miss. Andractim has been known to Thunder’s Place for a while, with no explosions of dick growth. I just saw an opportunity to study it further and will report my findings (if any)

How old are you? 35
Where do you apply the Andractim to your body? chest
How much do you use? 5g
How often do you use it? twice daily

Interestingly, the extra T seems to have the (paradoxical?) effect of making me a bit more emotionally sensitive. I haven’t been particularly hornier. If anything, well… hmmm.

Thanks for the additional info, halfpast. Now I have some more questions….. :-)

How long ago did you start taking Andractim?
What were you specific signs (outwardly visible) and symptoms (what you felt, blood tests) of your
hypogonadism?
Are you using an anti-estrogen?
Is your chest smooth or hairy (asking with respect to absorbability, my doc has me put it on my
abdomen)?
Has your skin gotten oilier and/or have you noticed any appearance of acne since starting?

I have not used Andractim daily, and I personally use pumping and jelqing now for enlargement.
When I use Andractim, it definitely makes me horny and more confident. I also lift weights and
that helps keep the testosterone up (although Andractim is dihydrotestosterone).

Final question: do you have male-pattern baldness and if so, has it been accelerated?

Now, again to be fair, my answers to these questions:

10 months
Low libido
Yes (nolvadex, sometimes clomid)
Hairy
Yes, yes (a little)
No

Good for you to warn about contaminating others with Andractim. It will affect your wife and
children if it touches them. One man used something like andractim, played around shirtless
with his very young boy, and his boy went into precocious puberty. NOT a good thing. Your
wife wouldn’t necessarily grow male gonads, but her voice would deepen and she’d start
growing hair in unfeminine places…but that would take sustained exposure. If you have a
daughter, be *extremely* cautious that she never find that stuff or touch it on you. DHT
would make her grow analogs to daddy-parts and she’d never forgive you ;-) When boys
are fetuses still developing, there is a time (around the 2nd month) when much DHT is
released in the placenta, and that’s what turns babies into boys, without DHT, they become
girls. Fascinating stuff.

BFLR

The number and sensitivity of the receptors is reduced in the adult, but they are still there (presumably for maintainance reasons). They are very high at birth, and reduce greatly by 1 year old, they then peak in adolesence, and reduce again for the remainder. I don’t have the study to hand, but it is posted on here somewhere. From memory I think it was around 600% increase during puberty over baseline. Perhaps using something like Finasteride for several months then quitting cold turkey would allow the newly sensitised receptors to benefit from the flood of DHT. This might also be a good time to add andactrim for a growthspurt (covered in the Dr Kevin Pezzi book in more detail).

I did get the gains back, but from going back to a more thorough warmup routine, methinks.

Worked pretty fair for the gyno, though. I can take my shirt off in public. Hell, I’d look muscular if I lost 10 lbs. My posture’s better. My wife said I walked differently. Don’t know if that was posture or the extra T. (she also said I acted differently).

So, a dud for PE. It was exciting there for a minute though, huh?

What gains did you have from the gel and would you reccomend it? I am 25.

Not sure he will get back to you. The last time somebody was on this thread was 2004.