Thombosed Vein vs Clogged Lymph Vessels
I have written on this several times before in other’s threads, and have many times started to write a thread on this. I haven’t completed it because when I research the subject, unfortunately I am unable to find some clear easy ways to differentiate between the two, so I have put if off for a long time.
At first I thought the difference was thrombosed veins would be inflammed and painful, but that isn’t always the case. They can be relatively painless.
In my search today, I found this;
by Dr Smitha Mathews, Sep 02, 2008 09:40AM
It is possible that there was an inflammation of the vein (phlebitis)that resulted in thrombosis along the vein. The cream that has been prescribed contains heparinoid that will help in reducing the inflammation and aid faster resolution of the thrombus.
The other possibility is that it could be a lymphocele (dilatation of a lymph vessel) and it can be differentiated from a vein by applying pressure over the lumpy area. Pressure will cause a lymphocele to empty but will not change the appearance of a vein that has been thrombosed.
Recovery will take about 8 weeks from the time of onset of symptoms.
Do keep us posted on any further doubts in this regard.
This is good advice from a Urologist. It doesn’t completely answer the question, but I decided to write this anyway and offer what help I can.
In my experience, I have found early on, that I very easily develop clogged lymph vessels. This happens anytime I generate lymph fluid accumulation in my penis, for me this is primarily through pumping, although I can get it just a easily through jelquing, clamping or most any PE.
When you get thickening of the skin on the shaft, donut effect or expansion of the glans, its due to lymphatic fluid that has accumulated due to PE. Learn to pinch the skin of your penis before you PE and you will see that it is very thin. After PE, if that has become thicker, it’s due to Lymphatic fluid.
Lymphatic fluid is drained through a separate system of Lymphatic vessels that are very much like veins, but the pumping mechanism is gravity and muscle contraction. Also, because lymph fluid is clear, you don’t see these vessels normally (we’ll get to that).
When you get abnormal amounts of lymph fluid accumulation in the penis (skin and glans), it has to drain back into the lymphatic system. This is accomplished by the lymphatic vessels. When they are pushed passed their normal capacity, you will see them appear as if by magic on your penis as worm like lines running down your shaft or around the head. These “worms” will have “bumps” or lymphoceles along them, spaced apart (if they are really full of fluid).
If all goes well, they will disappear on their own as the excessive lymph fluid is drained back into the larger vessels and recycled into your system. However, for some guys…like me, the vessels will not be able to handle it, perhaps because they are too small (just guessing) and what happens is the fluid becomes trapped in the vessels. This results in a long worm like vessel (pale colored, not reddish blue like veins) with bumps along it, that now doesn’t go away.
My experience with this was that at first it wasn’t painful, but as time went on, it started becoming sore after a few days. They also seem to get firmer as time goes on. I suspect the fluid hardens with time, but I don’t have any confirmation of that.
This especially occurs if you have generated lymph in your penis, then start to stroke it. This stroking will accelerate the drainage, and will rapidly send the extra fluid into the lymph vessels. If they stay open, this results in the penis rapidly returning to its “normal” look, however if they don’t drain, you will all of a sudden see these worms and bumps appear.
So, what do you do about it?
Well, now that I understand it, its not a problem. I try and keep lymphatic accumulation to a minimum. So for example, if pumping at 5 in hg for 10 minutes is fine, but 15 minutes causes lymph accumulation, I break the sets into 10 minutes or less and massage between sets. This prevents buildup.
Second, with PE its almost impossible to prevent ANY fluid build up, so here is what to do when you get clogging. These vessels in the penis run toward the base of your penis (toward your belly). When ever I see fluid starting to show in the vessels, I take the pad of my finger and push hard down into my erection, and “strip” the vessels down toward the base (along the shaft) as far in as I can go. This “flushes” the fluid down the vessel toward the belly.
The further toward the base of the penis (and beyond) the vessels go, the larger they become…very much like blood vessels. If you sweep the fluid down far enough, you will get it to a place where the vessel is large enough that it can flow on into the lymph system. Its in the peripheral vessels like the penis that the vessels get so small that large amounts of lymph fluid overwhelm it and trap it. If you strip it down into the larger vessels, it will drain off.
You can tell when you’ve done it properly, because it will instantly get smaller and/or disappear. If there is still lymph trapped in the glans or skin, they may keep reappearing for a few minutes until all the fluid is drained off. So, just keep using your finger pad, and stripping it down. Sometimes I may have to strip it almost into my abdomen area to get to a large enough vessel. You will be able to tell, because it will instantly disappear when you get it far enough. If it doesn’t just keep working it.
Now on the the more serious problem of having this lymphatic clogging that has lasted a week or more, because you didn’t know how to treat it. This is what happened to me the first time. I think I had it for a couple of weeks or more, and it was sore! Finally, what I found worked is using heat and low level vacuum pumping (3-4 in hg). This seemed to get enough new fluid in there to loosen it up and then the “stripping” was able to fluid it on “down stream” where it was able to be moved into the lymph system.
If you don’t have a pump then maybe heat really well, then light jelquing, then try to strip the vessels downward toward your abdomen. I can’t vouch for this last method, I have only used the pump for this problem.
Now for the warning. If you truly have a thrombosed vein, this is probably BAD to do! Thrombosed veins are a medical problem that may even require the vein to be removed. Any doubts at all, go to the Doctor and let them diagnose and treat for you, don’t take a chance. A thrombosed vein is a clot that is stuck in the vein, and moving that into your blood stream isn’t a good idea.
Once I post a thread, I usual lose contact with it, so if you have a question, write it here in the thread, then pm me. I will answer as soon as I can.
IMPORTANT UPDATES AS OF 03/06/2015
As this thread has evolved, Firegoat has made some very important points about not “stripping” the lymph vessels as I suggested about, but pressing them or using “cross friction”. I agree in that is a much better way to open the valves. Stripping them has the potential to damage them. For more info on this see Firegoat`s posts numbers 6, 96,98 and 101. Thanks for your great contributions Firegoat!
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Last edited by sparkyx : 03-07-2015 at . Reason: insert better directions for post #1