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PE gave me irreversible ED

Big Girtha, the doctor doesn´t want to sell me anything. In fact, he doesn´t agree with the implant because of my age, but if you search on google or where you like, there´s no cure or treatment reliable for venous leakage. Believe me he is not a bad doctor, and even better of more Americans, he´s member of the American Urological Association and many associations where is recognized there are only the best. Trust me when I said I really investigated who I´m trusting too.

(Man of 10, venous leakage happen´s when veno occlusive system collapsed and It´s not more allowed to keep blood in your pennis. Believe me, I´ve read every link for the ten first pages of google about venous leak, it was the first thing I did) Sugarfree, I do use a cock ring, but the effect don´t last more than 3 or 4 minutes, and I´ve been treating with a psychologist about my mind and all that. But I tell you, that If with the max dosis of viagra or Papaverina (like viagra but inyectable and stronger and pass by the nerves because you don´t need to be excitated to achieve an erection with this) and a cock ring I couldn´t have more than 5 minutes, it´s not much what I can do with my mind.

Iamaru, don´t know about previous condition, but I say again, I was and felt perfect before PE.

I didn´t notice any pain, nor visible blood. What happens is that the vein loose the capacity to close as it have to, but it doesn´t broke, what happens is that it continues absorbing blood from the pennis. It´s not something you can perceive or feel, only prove it with internal images when there is a suspect about it.

THUNDERSS, if you think I´m here to stir up shit, I am able to say that you adding more shit? Because my last post in the thread was written 3 days ago, but it says it was written yesterday. How? Time pass in a diferent way here and there?
And Why was my other name blocked to post or search? Just for the first time when I post this? If you wanna talk more deeply send me and MP and we can talk with the true cause it seems that it´s forbidden in public.

Thanks to the others for the good wishes, I really apreciate that.

Procedures Available To Treat Venous Leak: A Brief

Venous surgery

•Venous surgery is an effective procedure to treat venous leak. A whole range of venous surgeries are used worldwide on a large-scale basis.
•With regard to venous surgery it is also to be mentioned that penile venous surgery should not be conducted on men aged 50 or above as venous surgery has not been found to results successful results in men of this age group especially the ones suffering from combined venogenic and arteriogenic impotence.
Herbal Treatment

Various herbal treatment procedures are available in the market to treat venous leak. In accordance with the consultation of a herbal practitioner these specific treatments can be opted for and venous leak can be cured.

This came from: http://www.levitrabliss.com/archive…causeof_ed.html


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About 14 months total PE time. I'm very inconsistent.

THANKS thunderss.

DRFrankestein, I read your note before, and I went to Holistic doctors that gave me herbs and things with names impossible to spell, brought by the Indians, China and everywhere. Nothing real in fact.. Hundreds of dollars in things that were maybe sugar.. Don´t know. If you found a case when someone with this shit was cured, only one, with surgery or whatever, with at least 2 or 3 years of success then I´ll feel that I´ve reborn.

J Urol. 2008 Sep;180(3):1056-9. Epub 2008 Jul 17.

Primary penile venous leakage surgery with crural ligation in men with erectile dysfunction.
Cayan S.

Department of Urology, University of Mersin School of Medicine, Mersin, Turkey. Selcayan@mersin.edu.tr

PURPOSE: We report our long-term results of penile venous surgery with crural ligation for primary venous leakage in men with erectile dysfunction. MATERIALS AND METHODS: The study included 26 men with erectile dysfunction who underwent penile venous surgery for primary venous leakage with at least 1 year of postoperative followup at a single university hospital. All patients underwent penile venous surgery, including resection of the superficial and deep dorsal veins, ligation of the cavernous vein and 2 crura proximal to the entrance of the cavernous artery with umbilical tapes, and preservation of the dorsal artery and nerve on each side. Postoperative evaluation included the 5-item version of the International Index of Erectile Function, physical examination, duplex ultrasound and cavernosography, as necessary. Improvement in erectile functions and patient satisfaction were also assessed as complete, partial and none. RESULTS: The mean +/- SD International Index of Erectile Function score increased from 6.7 +/- 3.61 to 16.3 +/- 6.4, which was a highly statistically significant difference (p = 0.001). Postoperatively erectile function improved completely in 11 men (42.3%) and partially in 8 (30.8%), and it remained unchanged in 7 (26.9%). A total of 12 patients maintained satisfactory erection with phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors, which had not been effective preoperatively. Patient satisfaction with no additional treatment or with phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors was complete in 15 (57.7%) and partial in 8 (30.7%), while 3 (11.6%) were not satisfied with surgery. These 3 patients underwent penile prosthesis implantation with a 3-piece device. CONCLUSIONS: Penile venous surgery with crural ligation for venous leakage has excellent long-term results and patient satisfaction. Therefore, it should be offered to young men with primary cavernous erectile dysfunction. Young patients with normal penile arterial system and no risk factors such as diabetes have the best chance for improved postoperative success.

PMID: 18639295 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

That came from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/…Pubmed_RVDocSum

Doesn’t look like surgery would be 100%, but it’s a chance, and that’s in Turkey, so I don’t know how good their medical care is. But I would definitely try anything before surgery anyhow, and try it again.


Creating my monster. Start (3/01/06): BPEL-7 3/8", EG-5 1/4". Current (11/01/09): BPEL-8", EG-5 7/8". Goal BPEL-8 1/2", EG-6 1/4"

About 14 months total PE time. I'm very inconsistent.

Now here’s an article I can go with based on US standards from San Diego Sexual Medicine at Alvarado Hospital. I don’t know how well you read English, but there are even oral drugs that you can take. Several treatments on the page.

It’s here: http://www.sandiegosexualmedicine.c…ems/venous-leak


Creating my monster. Start (3/01/06): BPEL-7 3/8", EG-5 1/4". Current (11/01/09): BPEL-8", EG-5 7/8". Goal BPEL-8 1/2", EG-6 1/4"

About 14 months total PE time. I'm very inconsistent.

Dr Frank. I read it too and I´m thinking about it, but there´s no guarantee about anything.. It´s a chance, but far away from the best.

Marinera, the kinds of hernias that can cause impotence, are the ones in the column that affects nerves or the very very advanced inguinal ones that reach the scrotum, and because of the pain, not because of venous leak. Mine, is almost imperceptible, so it doesn´t give me that terrible pain, neither affects my testicles or pennis.

It seems the most widespread technique to help in venous leak is a confidence ring. Why that shouldn’t work in your case?

It works, but just for a couple of minutes, it´s not magical. As you stop blood from going away, you also stop blood from coming. It´s painfull too, and as I need it too constricted, it can cause more damage than I have.

Azulvioleta I am terribly sorry to hear about the injury you had. Really.

But let us put that straight:

Jelqing was the cause of your injury although you followed the guidelines which means you did it non-erect in a mild, gentle way.

Is that right?


04.27.2009: 6 x 4.5 (BP)

12.01.2009: 7.5 x 5 (BP)

Did I mention they are flaccid measurments?...Kidding! :p

Lets look at what appears to be the facts.

Thousands do PE safely, HOWEVER, we do get occasional sad stories like the above. I absolutely believe azulvioleta is relating accurately his case.

IF moderate force jelquing damaged your valve azulvioleta, then I have to conclude that a small percentage of the population has congenital weakness or malformation of the valve, that still allow it to work properly, but cannot withstand additional forces.

I does make me wonder if this was an inevitable injury with just the forces produced by intercourse. I would be interesting to do a literature search and see if this injury has occurred spontaneously with normal intercourse.

Azulvioleta you have my sympathy, and hopefully either is does start to slowly improve on its own, or you find a surgical procedure to repair it. Never even consider suicide, because there may be a cure in development right now that you don’t know about.

Thunder, in light of this and some other posts were some other guys have experienced something similar, I think it would be prudent to put a warning in the Newbie material that a very small percentage of the male population may have a weak valve that can be permanently damaged with even sensible PE. Further advise that you proceed at your own risk.

Originally Posted by azulvioleta
Dr Frank. I read it too and I´m thinking about it, but there´s no guarantee about anything.. It´s a chance, but far away from the best.

Marinera, the kinds of hernias that can cause impotence, are the ones in the column that affects nerves or the very very advanced inguinal ones that reach the scrotum, and because of the pain, not because of venous leak. Mine, is almost imperceptible, so it doesn´t give me that terrible pain, neither affects my testicles or pennis.

It would be worthwhile to contact them and discuss your case. If they don’t have an answer, they made be in contact with other experts throughout the world. You have nothing to lose by making email inquires.

Treatment of Penile Deep Dorsal Venous Leakage of Erectile Dysfunction by Embedding the Deep Dorsal Vein of the Penis: A Single Center Experience with 17 Patients



Authors: Zhang, Bin; Chen, Jun; Xiao, Hengjun; Zhang, Yan; Cai, Liuhong; Tao, Xin; Qi, Tao; Ban, Dewen

The common surgery for venous leakage was not very successful; unsatisfactory long-term results have reduced the indications for venous surgery for erectile dysfunction (ED). Aims.  To assess the outcomes of embedding the deep dorsal vein of the penis (EDDVP), a new surgical technique used in patients with penile deep dorsal venous leakage of ED. Methods.  Between December 2001 and November 2007, 17 patients diagnosed with penile deep dorsal venous leakage of ED underwent embedding the deep dorsal vein of the penis. Main Outcome Measures.  All cases were available for follow up by using the abridged 5-item version of the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF-5) scoring system and penile color Doppler ultrasound. Dynamic cavernosography were also assessed in three patients at 3 months postoperatively. Results.  After surgery, 14 patients were able to achieve satisfactory intercourse and three had sufficient erection after oral sildenafil (50-100 mg). The IIEF-5 scoring changed from a preoperative mean IIEF-5 score of 8.8 ± 3.9 to 20.8 ± 4.1 (P <  0.05). Peak systolic velocity (average of right and left cavernosal arteries) changed from 41.9 ± 7.7 cm/second to 44.2 ± 9.2 cm/second (P > 0.05), resistance index changed from 0.79 ± 0.1 to 1.00 ± 0.0 (P < 0.05), and venous velocity changed from 8.4 ± 4.0 cm/second to 0.0 ± 0.0 cm/second (P  < 0.05). Dynamic cavernosography demonstrated a smooth flow of the deep dorsal vein during the flaccid phase. During the tumescent phase, the deep dorsal vein of the penis was compressed between the dilated sinusoidal spaces and the tunica albuginea and resulted in venous drainage blockade. And then the hardness of erection was improved and maintained. Conclusions.  The new surgical technique of EDDVP is a simple operative procedure, which seems to be efficient in the treatment of penile deep dorsal venous leakage of ED.

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Originally Posted by azulvioleta
because venous leak has no treatment today.

That is not correct, there are at least two thunders member who had their venous leak repaired with surgery:

I have a venous leak, I’m going to have it fixed by an interventional radiologist.

It is very possible your urologists do not know about this surgery. The poster of that thread had a very difficult time locating a urologist who knew about it and could perform it. Please investigate this further. Do not have the implant.

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