Jelqing caused permanent damage

I’ve never been injured but I Jelq at 40-60% max. Actually the only time I felt I was going injure my self was while using a pump but still didn’t get injured.

The title chosen tells otherwise.

I will back BearMeat up with this one, reading the thread I never really got impression he is trying to blame anybody here, yes he blames jelqing but I believe he is aware that he is the only one who is really responsible for his injury and he is just “Worried Guy” looking for help.

We shouldn’t start throwing stones on him, I know everybody here do have best intentions but sometimes we aren’t showing them in the best manner.
However, he is in big pain and I really feel sorry for him, I would like to be able to help somehow, unfortunatelly I am not so I can just hope he will find a solution and heal completely.

Hang on there brother, I sincerely hope you will find a solution.

Thanks for your advice, however I can’t accept this. I’ve exhausted many options but as a final resort, and with full regret, I’ll have no other choice but to get a prosthesis. Everything else in my life is going really well; business, relationship, health, etc The only issue in my life is this and none of my other successes are worth it IMO if I can’t have normal sex and enjoy it like a normal guy would.

No pains whatsoever. I noticed additional veins physically appear on my penis after the injury and immediately thereafter, my erections were never the same again. It’s already post 6 years since this injury and the same exact erection I had post injury is more or less what I still have now.

Thanks for your kind words. I’m actually the opposite of reckless. I think about everything 10x before doing, I just never thought jelqing would have any consequences as it seemed like a very natural exercise. A good analogy is going to the gym and trying a new technique, why would one look up consequences for trying a new exercise in the gym? If it looks natural, most people would just try it.

Most people attending the gym for the first time would not try to bench press three plates.

My doctor votes against implants at my age, and thinks I have a sufficient erection even though its not completely “normal.” Very rarely am I satisfied during sex due to sensitivity being very minimal and my erections not sustaining for enough time. Most of the time I become semi-erect during sex and either continue or fully stop which leads to further frustration. I actually looked into implants and perhaps I’m wrong but the videos showing the demos of males pumping their implants, it doesn’t seem like their penises are very rigid with them implemented. When I do achieve erections, it seems like my erections are more rigid, my issue is sustaining it.

Have you ever attempted jelqing at 100%?

Yes. After years and years of conditioning. It’s something I don’t practice or recommend.

How about cockrings? Its a bandage for this issue but it might give some lasting effect. Do they affect how well you can keep it up?

Well, implant is the very final option from which there is no return. It is irreversible. In many videos there’s often only 10-20 pumps or so, but users state they need like 30 pumps for it to be rigid like they want it and some even more.

Did you check with MRA if the leak is still where it is or if it has moved?

Edit: Also, do you know your maintenance flow rate or your Peak systolic/End Diastolic velocity?

I’ve tried cockrings but what ends up happening is my sensitivity is even less and my penis feels more detached from my body during sex. Also, when my erection starts becoming a semi-erection with the cock ring, if I recall correctly it feels more like a “hard flaccid” semi erection which isn’t enjoyable at all.

I agree implant is definitely the very final option. I’ve exhausted many options though including shockwave therapy, drugs (Cialis, Viagra and Buspar), supplements, embolization, ligation. Not sure what else to do at this stage.

Do you have any videos on males doing 30+ pumps? I’m just worried if I end up getting implants, the rigidity would be less than what I have now when I do achieve erections. Regarding flow rate, I’m assuming it shows that in my medical records? I’m not very technical when it comes to these readings but I’m sure it should show it in those docs attached. Likewise with your other question regarding the MRA. The second MRA I’ve taken was about one year after the initial ligation surgery and it looks like based on the notes of the radiologist, the leak moved:

“Arterial inflow: Bilateral penile arteries enhance normally, although there is relatively less enhancement of the left cavernosal artery.
Venous outflow: Again, early filling of the right venous system is identified although this now appears to be more ventral than seen previously (series 52 image 14) however, some filling is also present that wraps around the right aspect to the right dorsal base.”

Its not really something I’m very familiar with, but franktalk.org is a forum more knowledgable about implants.

You’ve tried shockwave therapy? How many sessions/rounds?

Also, for venous leak I’ve seen these things work:

Drugs like Viagra/cialis (didn’t work for you), or some other drug/herb thing that improves NO (nitric oxide) production and other antioxidants in the blood vessels and are good erection boosters (don’t combine them, or talk to a doctor before doing so, or you may go into shock!)
Pelvic floor therapy, with proper biofeedback (for mild to moderate cases and from a therapist rather than just doing at home)
ligation therapies (worked for your glans, but not the shaft from what I can tell)
Implant: Final, takes away any issue of maintaining, but it has a lot of other considerations to be made and is a very heavy decision.

Edit: I looked through your documents, but I didn’t find the flow rates. I just wanted to know that to indicate the severity, because how effective kegels are depends on that. But if you can get an erection at all (even if hard to maintain), I’d say moderate, but I can’t be sure here.

In all fairness, benching a massive amount of weight unprepared looks extremely dangerous compared to erect jelqing, which even a urologist who had never heard of it told me wouldn’t do anything. People know from everyday experience that heavy things falling can cause damage, and that heavy items require a certain degree of strength and exertion to lift. There isn’t anything in our everyday experience that would point towards erect jelqing being dangerous or even working, which is why even the urologist’s first reaction was wrong. If people who were too aggressive with their jelqing had believed at the time that they truly could have been seriously injured, they would have been more cautious, but either way, no one deserves to get injured. Benching way too much vs. just trying out a new machine are also different, but the main point is that people start looking more closely at the problems with the gym comparison, and hopefully stop using it altogether.

I wouldn’t really hold it against doctors. PE isn’t scientifically studies, so its risks or benefits aren’t scientifically appraised. Some excellent, world class urologists like Tom F Lue lament about getting patients who’ve harmed themselves with exercises, others say its unlikely you’d do much damage.
PE like techniques are used for treating Peyronie’s and Erectile dysfunction (pumps, traction devices, manual remodelling), but they aren’t really studied much on healthy penises

For example, there was a whole thing about cyclists getting erectile dysfunction, and was a controversy for a while (and maybe still is there). The odds ratio (Odds ratio - Wikipedia) of those getting ED was measured in studies against hours cycled a week, type of seat used, type of biking position, how fast they’d cycle on average and many other factors to properly assess if there was an association.

Meanwhile, PE just has educated (and many times , completely inaccurate, anatomically illiterate) guesses.