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Originally Posted by marinera

Sympytoms
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Male sexual problems: some men complain of a diminution of sensations. Impotence is possible.”

What Goldstein means is that there are low chance to develope this problem simply sitting while the chances are high with bicylcing, not that it is ‘impossible’ to have this syndrome while sitting. Sounds obvious to me.

I agree marinera!

When it first happened to me, my penis and testicles had that “buzzing” feeling that did not go away for months. I didn’t notice it while walking or standing because the pressure was obviously off my butt. My testicles had diminished sensation as did the underside of my penis. I never had impotence issues as a result of the injury.

So, it is possible (I mean: just possible) that many of those who have this syndrome had sufference caused by other factors and PE was the ‘drop who filled the jar’, so to speak. If this is the case, sitting hours and hours in front of a pc surfing the Internet could only make their problem worse.

I did a lot of biking on road bikes in my younger days and knew a lot of cyclists including racers who put in much more saddle time than I did.

I don’t think the chances of developing pudendal nerve palsy are anything close to “high” with bicycling. It is reported but is uncommon even among top pro racers who spend hours in the saddle nearly every day, year round. It should be noted that Irwin Goldstein makes a living doing pudendal nerve blocks and other treatments for sexual dysfunction. According to this thread: http://www.tipna.org/forum/viewtopi…2832bc1e44e0e3d he charges the ridiculously exorbitant fee of $1300 as an initial consultation fee and doesn’t accept insurance. He clearly has a vested interest in promoting this diagnosis.

Originally Posted by redbear52
I did a lot of biking on road bikes in my younger days and knew a lot of cyclists including racers who put in much more saddle time than I did.

I don’t think the chances of developing pudendal nerve palsy are anything close to “high” with bicycling. It is reported but is uncommon even among top pro racers who spend hours in the saddle nearly every day, year round. It should be noted that Irwin Goldstein makes a living doing pudendal nerve blocks and other treatments for sexual dysfunction. According to this thread: http://www.tipna.org/forum/viewtopi…2832bc1e44e0e3d he charges the ridiculously exorbitant fee of $1300 as an initial consultation fee and doesn’t accept insurance. He clearly has a vested interest in promoting this diagnosis.

That website has the doctor listed as Andrew Goldstein instead of Irwin Goldstein. So I think they are talking about another doctor on that thread. Also, I agree with you that developing this type of problem is pretty rare even if you do bicycling. But when you do have it really blows.

Originally Posted by TheLawnmowerman
I agree marinera!

When it first happened to me, my penis and testicles had that “buzzing” feeling that did not go away for months. I didn’t notice it while walking or standing because the pressure was obviously off my butt. My testicles had diminished sensation as did the underside of my penis. I never had impotence issues as a result of the injury.

Did you have a firm flaccid penis with your condition? I am just curious because you do not mention any penile injury, just nerve sensation problems.

And I think for the people who have the firm flaccid it is more that the injury caused the pudendal nerve to become irritated, which lead to the muscles around the nerve to contract thus causing pudendal nerve entrapment problems.

And I agree that staying off of the computer chair and standing is a good idea.

Originally Posted by biff7686
That website has the doctor listed as Andrew Goldstein instead of Irwin Goldstein. So I think they are talking about another doctor on that thread. Also, I agree with you that developing this type of problem is pretty rare even if you do bicycling. But when you do have it really blows.

Thanks for the correction. I saw the last name and overlooked the first. I do believe, however, that Irwin has also done well financially by popularizing and treating this diagnosis.

If the guys I rode with couldn’t get it up, they sure as hell didn’t talk about it.

I used to ride a exercise bike a lot (5hours a day, roughly 120miles) but this was when I was 17 (now 22) and although I would feel sore around that area, I didn’t have any problems when off the bike or with my penis.

I have read that sitting down for prolonged periods can cause muscles around the pelvic region to become tight and due to being ill as well as another problem I was sitting down most of the day (I now do a light exercise routine), I was doing this for around 3months and in this time I was also edging constantly, I then formed an OK grip and started doing kegels while erect (trying to act as a hand clamp) after this I always had a firm flaccid penis accept for when laying down on my back.

Last week I started taking the tablets I said I would and yesterday I added some exercises from one of the books which I will now do daily, I also need to start the exercises from the other book (A Headache In The Pelvis), the third book requires a exercise ball to be used for the exercises and I can’t find these anywhere (these ones are about the size of a tennis ball but inflatable) so I won’t be doing these any time soon. I last masturbated on Sunday night so today is day 2 of not masturbating and this will continue until at least 90days as well as all exercises and tablets.

I’m also going to buy a Yantra Mat this week which should be here by next, the points on the mat are meant to press in to acupressure points and release muscle tension, it could be bullshit but I won’t know until I try, I will use it mainly when sitting down since my problem is not present while laying. Finally, I am also going to buy a new computer chair next week, the ikea joakim is meant to help posture and be comfortable so I’ll probably go with that.

I’ll update the thread when I get the mat unless something changes between now and then.

Hi everyone I am the author under the name “destrier” of a long post in a PEGYM thread of the same subject. Someone pasted that post in this thread so you can read it here too. I have done extensive research on our problem since my post over a year ago and have revised my conclusions. Many of you are already on the same path of thinking as me. I will be preparing a long explanation of the cause of the problem over the next several days. The injury involves the dorsal nerve of the penis (technically part of the pudendal nerve), specifically where the nerve passes though a very narrow canal bounded by the pubis, suspensory ligament complex and tunica albuginia. Please read the attached PDF which provides an excellent review of the anatomy of the area and this previously unknown potential source of compression/irritation of the dorsal nerve. Please also read up as much as possible on the fundiform ligament, which is superficial to the main suspensory ligament. The fundiform ligament is a thickening of colles’ fascia around the base of the penis and my hypothesis is that rupture of this ligament results in mechanical irritation of the dorsal nerve as it enters the base of the penis. It also explains the weakness at the base of the penis, especially during erections, that we suffer. For all those who experienced the classical injury of a popping sensation at the base of the penis just under the pubis, this should ring bells. Also consider that injury to the dorsal/pudendal nerve, which occurs very frequently in prostatectomy causes the same problems in penile physiology as we experience. Peace.

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Originally Posted by radcliff
Hi everyone I am the author under the name “destrier” of a long post in a PEGYM thread of the same subject. Someone pasted that post in this thread so you can read it here too. I have done extensive research on our problem since my post over a year ago and have revised my conclusions. Many of you are already on the same path of thinking as me. I will be preparing a long explanation of the cause of the problem over the next several days. The injury involves the dorsal nerve of the penis (technically part of the pudendal nerve), specifically where the nerve passes though a very narrow canal bounded by the pubis, suspensory ligament complex and tunica albuginia. Please read the attached PDF which provides an excellent review of the anatomy of the area and this previously unknown potential source of compression/irritation of the dorsal nerve. Please also read up as much as possible on the fundiform ligament, which is superficial to the main suspensory ligament. The fundiform ligament is a thickening of colles’ fascia around the base of the penis and my hypothesis is that rupture of this ligament results in mechanical irritation of the dorsal nerve as it enters the base of the penis. It also explains the weakness at the base of the penis, especially during erections, that we suffer. For all those who experienced the classical injury of a popping sensation at the base of the penis just under the pubis, this should ring bells. Also consider that injury to the dorsal/pudendal nerve, which occurs very frequently in prostatectomy causes the same problems in penile physiology as we experience. Peace.

I just have to say that I am definitely looking forward to your further contributions to this thread. I just read the article and now I have to review my anatomy as well. You mention weakness at the base of the penis and I have this, but I am not sure if others with firm flaccid have this problem. Anyway, great research findings and just want to say thanks.

Radcliff, thank you so much for joining over here. Owen found one of your posts a while ago, and I tryed to get contact with you sometime ago.

I don’t want to be hasty or anything, but what do you think the fix to this will be?

I look forward very much to reading your longer explanation.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

I just finished reading the PDF file posted. Sounds like a possibility, less sensation and lowered erectile performance are symptoms.

It sounds like surgury is the answer according to the conclusion.

Not too sure what to think at the moment.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

Interesting theory. Definitely possible.. MY hard flaccid started shortly after I wore a metal cock ring that put a fair amount of pressure on the base/top of my penis.. Could have compressed something ?

So I’m not sure what happened exactly, but today I woke up with a spongy/full/long/fat/stretchy flaccid and 12 hours later it’s still in this state.

I haven’t done PE or pumped in a few weeks, so I’m trying to figure out what caused this exactly.

I spent all of Friday walking around. Got up at 6am, went off to work, walked home from work, went off to a party where I walked even more, then crashed around 3:30am. There’s two things about all this: 1) I was relaxed due to alcohol 2) My inner thighs became sore due to all the moving around. I normally walk 5 miles a day because of work but on that day I walked a few more miles than usual (pedometer said so.) for a longer period of time. My thighs haven’t been sore since before I got the firm flaccid.

Saturday night/Sunday morning I noticed I had some good EQ going, so I edged for a few hours. I was relaxed again due to alcohol. Before I went to sleep I stuck a towel in between my legs and squeezed it, with my penis pushing into the towel.

Woke up with morning wood, looked down at my shaft and noticed I was really girthy. The previous night I measured 5.6in MEG, today it was just over 6 inches in girth (there was a donut effect too.)

It’s been 12 hours since I woke up and I still have the donut effect. I’m not sure what caused this to occur but I believe it has something to do with the pelvic muscles and the soreness I felt in my thighs on Friday night. I’m not gonna get overexcited and say that I’ve found a cure but I’d like to see if this will change anything!


3/13/09 - BPEL - 7.2 EL - 6.7 EG - 5.0

4/20/10 - BPEL - 7.5 EL - 7.0 EG - 5.6-5.9 depending on EQ

Originally Posted by radcliff
Hi everyone I am the author under the name “destrier” of a long post in a PEGYM thread of the same subject. Someone pasted that post in this thread so you can read it here too. I have done extensive research on our problem since my post over a year ago and have revised my conclusions. Many of you are already on the same path of thinking as me. I will be preparing a long explanation of the cause of the problem over the next several days. The injury involves the dorsal nerve of the penis (technically part of the pudendal nerve), specifically where the nerve passes though a very narrow canal bounded by the pubis, suspensory ligament complex and tunica albuginia. Please read the attached PDF which provides an excellent review of the anatomy of the area and this previously unknown potential source of compression/irritation of the dorsal nerve. Please also read up as much as possible on the fundiform ligament, which is superficial to the main suspensory ligament. The fundiform ligament is a thickening of colles’ fascia around the base of the penis and my hypothesis is that rupture of this ligament results in mechanical irritation of the dorsal nerve as it enters the base of the penis. It also explains the weakness at the base of the penis, especially during erections, that we suffer. For all those who experienced the classical injury of a popping sensation at the base of the penis just under the pubis, this should ring bells. Also consider that injury to the dorsal/pudendal nerve, which occurs very frequently in prostatectomy causes the same problems in penile physiology as we experience. Peace.

Dear Radcliff,

May I ask why you think this causes a firm/flaccid penis?

I have read the above linked article before as I suffer from 80% loss of sensation in my whole penis (excluding the glans which is actually oversensitive to the point of pain, like the pain you feel in the bloody area after you’ve had a tooth out) AND, interestingly, 80% loss of sensation in my scrotum. I am interested to hear why you think entrapment of the pudendal nerve in this way can a) be caused by jelqing and b) causes chronic “tensing” of the smooth muscle (hard flaccid penis).

Also, may I ask, are you basing your theory entirely on this one article? Or do you have other sources/experiences/professional opinions that are forming this opinion?

Thanks for taking the time to come over here and help.

Originally Posted by BMashina
I just finished reading the PDF file posted. Sounds like a possibility, less sensation and lowered erectile performance are symptoms.

It sounds like surgury is the answer according to the conclusion.

Not too sure what to think at the moment.

Surgical decompression of the pudendal nerve is in it’s very early stages and only a few surgeons in the world even attempt it.

As horrendously life-altering as my current symptoms are I wouldn’t want to be a guinea pig for some trailblazing surgery. Would you? Imagine the feeling of going under knowing someone’s going to take a knife to such a complicated area?

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