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Firm flaccid penis

I will, and I did look around here for the Yohimbe, but I couldn’t find it anywhere. Any suggestions? I’d like to buy it locally in person.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

Hmm. Perhaps try a health food store? If not, online is your best bet. I would just do that.

Originally Posted by BMashina
I will, and I did look around here for the Yohimbe, but I couldn’t find it anywhere. Any suggestions? I’d like to buy it locally in person.

Beware of Yohimbe (Yohimbine). This stuff can make you extremely anxious, cause insomnia, and drive blood pressure dangerously high.

Most grades of it are not pure. There is a pharmaceutical grade, however you should take even that only on the advice of a doctor.


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Hi!

I just wanted to mention for possible new readers of this thread that a spasm in the hip area might be the cause of all this firmness. For me, stretching the iliopsoas and later adding on stretches to the piriformis did the trick; circulation as well as sensation and size returned to normal after 3 years of coldness, numbness and firmness. Also, a big part of the cure was to learn to sit in a better position than I used to. I never did experience any severe back pain though, only tingling, numbness and a little pain.

Later I found webpages mentioning a connection between hip problems and numbness, pain, compressed circulation and impotence, for example this one:

http://www.triggerpointbook.com/sciatica.htm

Hope this might help someone out there!

Originally Posted by 229233

Hope this might help someone out there!

I expect it will!


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Originally Posted by 229233
Hi!

I just wanted to mention for possible new readers of this thread that a spasm in the hip area might be the cause of all this firmness. For me, stretching the iliopsoas and later adding on stretches to the piriformis did the trick; circulation as well as sensation and size returned to normal after 3 years of coldness, numbness and firmness. Also, a big part of the cure was to learn to sit in a better position than I used to. I never did experience any severe back pain though, only tingling, numbness and a little pain.

Later I found webpages mentioning a connection between hip problems and numbness, pain, compressed circulation and impotence, for example this one:

Http://www.triggerpointbook.com/sciatica.htm

Hope this might help someone out there!

Thanks!

Personally I read that previous post of yours about your healing like 10 times (like many others, I’m sure) so I don’t actually need to be reminded. :) It was like a glimmer of light in a really depression life situation.

How is your state now, is it 100%? Are you here to take up PE again? :)

Please, if it’s not too much trouble, can you stay with us a little while and try elaborating on your healing a bit? Can you describe the process in more detail? As a runner you probably know the body and stretching much better then we do.

How sure are you the stretching is what actually healed you? I saw you healed slowly over time even before, can you comment on that?

I checked your posts and saw that you had a very obvious PE injury, so how do you think these things are connected?

Can you pinpoint where exactly the spasm was? Where should we look for it?

Here is a post that was found on another website,

Http://www.pegym.com/forums/erectil…flaccid-21.html

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This is my first post but I have important information about the condition discussed in this thread and all over the internet. I’m a long time lurker of numerous forums for medical help, penis enlargement and male health ever since acquiring nearly 2 years ago the exact problem you have all been discussing. I have improved a bit over time, and I am reasonably confident I have found the cause of the problem. First, let’s summarize the most common symptoms of this condition that I have gathered through extensive searching and by evaluating my own situation:

Main Symptoms:

-retracted, hard flaccid penis. resists stretching and remains seized up unless exposed to heat for a generous amount of time
-flaccid penis feels lighter, almost weightless at times
-tightened scrotum
-reduced erection quality. harder to get erections and erections subside quickly without stimulation.
-tight, constricting feeling when erect
-slight reduction in erect length. often times slight reduction of girth.
-indentation on one side of penis, usually the left side. more pronounced when transitioning between flaccid and erect (getting a semi hard-on)
-reduced morning erections and spontaneous erections. morning erections are poor quality and can be very infrequent or never
-cold glans and scrotum
* all symptoms seem worse when in the standing position. everything seems to loosen up a bit and erections are better when sitting

Other Common Symptoms:

-reduced shaft sensitivity (penile numbness)
-penis head won’t fill up during erections
-weird reaction of penis when flexing PC muscle (jerking motion rather than filling the penis with blood)
-tightness in perineum
-reduced sex drive
-difficulty urinating/ increased urge to urinate
-different feel to the skin in the genital area, softer and thinner
-reduced testicle size, joint pains, fatigue

Now let’s talk about the causes of this condition. At least a few of these should sound familiar to you by now:

-stretching the flaccid penis causing a popping sensation at the base of the penis on one side, just inside the groin area (most common). This causes a frightening retraction of the penis into a small, hard and shriveled state
-injurey during sex or jelqing, can include the same popping feeling as above
-vigorous, prolonged masterbation session.
-injury to the perineum area or base of the penis

Right from the outset of my research, I have found that no one has had legitimate success with visiting a urologist. Ultrasound testing shows nothing out of the ordinary, and people are told that there is nothing wrong with them (or worse, it’s in your head). I have not been to a doctor about this as I had no reason to suggest I would have any more success than the next guy (the symptoms of the condition are remarkably consistent among everyone afflicted)

How I made a mild improvement:

The overall tightness in the genital-perineum region seemed directly related to the severity of the symptoms. I found that my perineal muscles, such as the PC were chronically tense as if my body was bracing for the next trauma to the area. I focused on relaxing my pelvic floor for a night. It is tricky at first but gets easy with practice. Think of it like a reverse kegel, but don’t put much force into it, just let the area kind of relax. It should feel like the entire region lowers and loosens a bit. This method will allow your penis and scrotum to hang a little lower and will improve erections a little. When sitting down, my erections feel more or less normal because the area is maximally relaxed. Problems continue when standing. This is no cure, but it helps and it did offer insight as to what the structural problem might be.

Nature of the problem:

Most of you are probably experts in male reproductive anatomy by now. I know that I have wasted countless hours trying to find anything that might hint at the cause of the problem. Let’s consider the instance of injury by stretching. When stretching the flaccid penis, you are elongating several fascia. In order of deep to superficial they are the tunica albuginea, Buck’s fascia, and Colle’s fascia (continuous with the dartos tunic and the superficial fascia of the perineum, it is essentially one big sheet). Most people seem to think the problem is with the deeper fascia of the penis, and that there is an injury somewhere along the length of the penis. There isn’t.

All of my searching has led me to conclude that the injury is to the superficial fascia of the perineum and penis, which are the same thing and can be referred to as Colles’ fasica. The popping feeling many of us felt at the time of injury was this membrane tearing. The defensive retraction of the ruptured fascia is what caused and continuous to cause the constricted flaccid penis. This damaged fascia resists the tendency of the penis to loosen up when flaccid and to grow when erect. The change in appearance of the penis in the days and months following the injury is damage to the fragile tissue between colle’s fascia and buck’s fascia, known as areolar tissue.

Many people, including myself, complain of reduced “force” of erection, or the decreased resistance of the fully erect penis towards being pushed downwards. I think this is because of some loss of support form the fascia injury. Think of loss of tensile strength of a ripped cloth.

My injury was caused by accidentally swinging a small dumbell into the interface between the left base of my penis, the scrotum, and the perineum while exercising. I am 23 now. I experienced the infamous popping sensation and immediate flaccid regidity. I will periodically get a wierd pain in the left base of my penis, but also have pain in the left side of my perineum when I palpate it. Intriguingly, I have a tender small mass in the rear left of the perineum close to the anus, in the area where colle’s fascia attaches to the pubic bone.

Why this is a more serious problem than you may think:

Besides the crappy erection quality, there are a lot of other negative things happening because of this simple injury. The fascia of the pernial region are more or less all connected to one another. The abnormal retraction of the damaged colles’ fascia strains the perineal membrane (to which it is connected), resulting in many of the most common symptoms. Here is a list of what important structures pass through the perineal membrane and into the space above colles’ fascia and a description of what happens to them when the membrane is constricted.

Deep arteries of the penis- restricts blood flow to the penis, causing a very small flaccid and cold penis
Dorsal arteries of the penis- same as above
Dorsal nerve of the penis- loss of sensation when in constricted flaccid state
Urethra- difficulty with starting urination

Between the perineal membrane and the superficial fascia of the perineum lies the internal pudendal vessels, which supply blood to the scrotum and the penis.

The danger for us lies in the fact that prolonged contraction of these fascia resticts blood flow to the entire gential region. There are reports of testicular shrinkage and continuous penile shrinkage. When the genital and perieal area are totally relaxed, the problem is minimized, but the majority of the time , for us, the areas are far from relaxed. Symptoms are worst after ejaculation, when there is a natural explusion of blood from the area and retraction of the penis.

The blood flow problem explains why L-arginine is beneficial for reducing symptoms. The extra NO produced from the arginine relaxes the blood vessels in the region and allows more blood to get to the penis while both flaccid and erect. L-arginine has helped me a little, but it obviously won’t fix any structural problems.

What we can do:

We need to stop looking at this as a penile injury and more as a lower groin injury. We need to seek out doctors that specialize in the area and can order MRIs and ultrasounds to identify fascial tears in the perineum, not just the penis. Use descriptors like chronic pain and tightness in the entire area. My guess is the exact problem is in part of the Colles’ fascia near the bulb of the penis (internal base fo the penis). Regardless, an injury anywhere to this fascia will screw up the penis, scrotum, and perineum because it covers all of these areas. There is no way, I repeat no way, any of us will recover without surgical repair of the tear. I have read about one person who has had it for 12 years. Once one of us has success with this the word can be spread. In the meantime, focus on relaxing the perineal area and take supplements like arginine, this will make it a little better for you. I firmly believe normacy can be acheived through locating the problem and surgically fixing it.

Look at these links for threads from other sites and more information about the anatomical structures I have described in this post:

An unresolved case on medhelp of the exact problem we have: rupture of superficial fascia of the perineum - Urology - MedHelp
And again: Perineal Fascia Tear/Rupture - Urology - MedHelp
Medhelp forum thread on the injury: Penis hard even in flaccid state - Men’s Health - MedHelp

Anatomy:
http://home.comcast.net/~wnor/perineum.htm
File:Gray403.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I’ll be checking this thread often and will clarify anything and answer any questions. This shit is complex and frustrating, but we can work through it together. Alright, let’s get cracking.

peace

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While I am quite impressed with this post, I do not feel that a tear of the perineum is the cause of everybodies problem. I never felt the pop, and got immediate retraction.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

Originally Posted by 229233
Hi!

I just wanted to mention for possible new readers of this thread that a spasm in the hip area might be the cause of all this firmness. For me, stretching the iliopsoas and later adding on stretches to the piriformis did the trick; circulation as well as sensation and size returned to normal after 3 years of coldness, numbness and firmness. Also, a big part of the cure was to learn to sit in a better position than I used to. I never did experience any severe back pain though, only tingling, numbness and a little pain.

Later I found webpages mentioning a connection between hip problems and numbness, pain, compressed circulation and impotence, for example this one:

Http://www.triggerpointbook.com/sciatica.htm

Hope this might help someone out there!

Did you ever have erections that would die if you stopped stimulation ?
Because as soon as I stop stimulation my erection dies,and I’m scared I won’t be able to have sex with my girlfriend because of this !

I also get hard flaccid but not usually as bad as it used to be

Hey I read that thread already. My penis definitely does not look the same or feel the same as it was before my injury. It’s been 5 years already. You can read my thread in penis injury and whole lot of problems which is a thread I started. It is very hard to get an erection unless I sit down and squeeze my legs towards my penis and testicles. Do you have firm flaccid penis? Did you jelq before?

I mean whenever I touch my penis now when it is flaccid, I cannot just hold it and move it around like very flexible. I consider a normal penis when flaccid when you can just hold it and move it around pretty easily and it is flexible and spongy and you can move it in any direction easily because it feels like rubber. My penis was pretty much movable and flexible if that is the right word until the accident.

Does firm flaccid mean your penis feels like rubber when you touch it? Like before the accident, my penis was soft when flaccid. When I touch it now it feels sort of like rubber and is not that flexible say when you push it around. Also my penis retracts a lot of the time? It’s called turtling. I use to never get turtling unless I’m freezing cold and it turtles a lot now. Is this related to firm flaccid?

Firm flaccid means that it’s not flexible and feels hard right? Is there a way to correct firm flaccid penis? Does it relate to blood flow in the penis by any chance? Do people who have firm flaccid penis not get morning wood like me? I also noticed that right after my injury, my penis when flaccid does not point STRAIGHT DOWN like it used to. If I look at my penis from the side of the mirror, I see my penis points southeast and not straight south. Do you know anyone who have this?

Someone tells me ED is a result of nerve damage, venous leak or ligament damage. My urologist told me I have no nerve damage according to my ultrasound test. He did not tell me I had venous leak but did see I had it in my report.

I also had a varicocele grade 3 but had surgery for it. However, not sure if it came back and will see urologist in one week. I also have venous leak as well. Does anyone have similar symptoms as me?


Last edited by westell1 : 02-09-2010 at .

Your symtoms fit the descriptions and are very commen among men with our condition.

BMashina that dude has some serious brain power and the best attitude so far. His theory can actually cover most if not all symptoms. Great guy. I’d love to get in contact with him somehow. I’d be nice to see if his theory worked for him. Actually I plan on laying the problem to a couple of urologists very soon. Action time. :)

What do you guys think? Does anyone else find it plausible?

Indeed he really does, I like his theory. I am still doing stretches daily and have noticed a little difference in flaccid, and a medium amount of difference in EQ. I still have in large part deflated glans, but my CCs fill up just fine, and I have been having good morning wood.

I really like his theory, but I would really like for someone to have it confirmed. I’ll sign up for the place right now and see if I can bring him here, or get him in contact with us.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

Stretching that muscle, definitely helped my EQ as well and flaccid hang. I looked up the muscle he said and added in the word “stretches” in a google search. Try it guys.

I talked to a doctor by email and he is one of the most intelligent surgeons there are. He tells me

Firm flaccid penis indicates a fibrosis there. It is not frequently
Happened in your case since it is over one year. I believe that a
Veno-occlusve dysfunction is your case however.

Ok, has anyone tryed any type of muscle relaxers, or ED meds like viagra?

Did any one notice any difference?

Yeah, I did the same thing iron addict, also groin stretches are a good search too.


8/12/09 5.70" x 4.9" NBP

Goal: 6.5" x 5.25" NBP

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