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Diagnosed with mild Venous Leak

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It’s not worth the risk if you have injured yourself. I have stopped certain PE modalities because they are too risky for me. It sounds as though the basic PE exercises are too risky for you Chicken. I wish you well. Let your penis rest and be content with your size. Clearly you have enough to satisfy yourself and others.


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Great advice guys. Specifically, the user who pointed out the thread discussing the theory about the tunica and smooth muscle possibly having a gap is what causes the weak erections/non sustainability. Can someone help me understand what type of exercises to do in order to strengthen my smooth muscle? I pretty much ruled everything else out (testosterone, blood tests, ultrasound, etc) and nothing points to the cause of weak erections/hard maintaining it. I truly think the explanation that the tunica enlarged with my jelqing exercises created a gap with the smooth muscle and now when I get “turned on”, it’s hard for that gap to be filled.

Any experienced people who have gone through something similar and fixed this issue (exercising the smooth muscle), please advise. I don’t want any gains (don’t care about girth/length anymore). All I want is a healthy penis back (rigidity back to normal with my current size). At the same time, I want to be extra, extra, extra safe with these exercises as I can’t afford my penis any further harm after what happened with jelqing.

PS. I did notice my penis girth did increase/stretch after jelqing. And also some members here think I jelqed for 4 years +, that’s not the case. I only jelqed for about one month (sometimes erect, but most of the time semi), the rest of the time I was suffering with this condition of weak erections and not being able to sustain them.

I can recommend something. I’m not sure you’re up to it. I recommend doing no PE or other things than good rest for three months. Something tells me you’re not going to heed this recommendation.


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Originally Posted by Titleist
I can recommend something. I’m not sure you’re up to it. I recommend doing no PE or other things than good rest for three months. Something tells me you’re not going to heed this recommendation.

What will that achieve? If my issue is the smooth muscle having a gap with the tunica, that wouldn’t fix it.

Originally Posted by Worriedguy
What will that achieve? If my issue is the smooth muscle having a gap with the tunica, that wouldn’t fix it.

I think you’ll be quite surprised at what just leaving it alone and allowing your body to heal will accomplish.


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Originally Posted by Titleist
I think you’ll be quite surprised at what just leaving it alone and allowing your body to heal will accomplish.

I haven’t done any PE exercises in 3-4 years. Do you mean abstaining from sex/masturbation for 3 months? I gave my penis years to heal after this supposed injury.

Originally Posted by Worriedguy
I haven’t done any PE exercises in 3-4 years. Do you mean abstaining from sex/masturbation for 3 months? I gave my penis years to heal after this supposed injury.

Dude, you’ve been dealing with this for 4yrs? WTF. I thought this just happened to you. You can get hard and penetrate, you just need constant stimulation, is this right?

Originally Posted by Smallblkguy
Dude, you’ve been dealing with this for 4yrs? WTF. I thought this just happened to you. You can get hard and penetrate, you just need constant stimulation, is this right?

Yeah I can get hard and penetrate but I lose the erection very quickly and my erections are not always 100% EQ. Most of the time it’s 75%.

A gap between the tunica and the smooth muscle makes no sense, the tunica surrounds the smooth muscle no gap there. Whether the theory holds water if we consider a gap between sm+tunica and buck’s fascia is very unclear to me.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe…section.svg.png

https://www.centerforreconstructive…ion-anatomy.jpg

I’ve not yet understood if the erection occurrs because of nerve signals which work their magic to occlude outflow or if it’s from the tunica and smooth muscle getting soengorged with blood they compress the veins and reduce outflow.

Originally Posted by Worriedguy
I haven’t done any PE exercises in 3-4 years. Do you mean abstaining from sex/masturbation for 3 months? I gave my penis years to heal after this supposed injury.

Certainly no masturbation and very gentle sex.


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Has anyone had the same issues as me resolved on this forum? The tunica/smooth muscle theory made the most sense to me, but I don’t understand how to work on the smooth muscle. Some people say to jelq, but thats what I did to get myself in the place I’m in currently. I’m going to find a physical therapist to help me work on pelvic floor exercises, but I want to be as proactive as possible and I know there are many intelligent members on this forum with lots of experience who can help me in my current position. I can stay very positive minded, as long as I know I’m on the right track to fixing this issue.

What really makes me upset is the inconsistency in EQ. My EQ varies between 60-100% with an average of 75-80% usually. A lot of the times that I do have great erections, they subside to between semi - full erection or semi erections during sex. It becomes extremely frustrating to have sex most of the time when this happens. I really don’t want to go the pill route, nor cock rings/surgery. I’d like to believe members on this forum have found solutions to this problem. I was diagnosed with very mild venous leak which may have been an inaccurate diagnosis. If someone can steer me in the right direction and/or give me a solution to this issue, I’ll be forever grateful. I’m 26 years old and shouldn’t have to be dealing with this issue so young. I was completely normal before erect jelqing.

You can reach 100 % EL at times, so it makes sense to decrease the pressure you put on yourself, the anxiety and maybe work on what was mentioned before by members (mind, pelvic floor, body, diet..).
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/550323_3
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injections are routinely given with color Doppler ultrasound, but despite this the tests have been less than completely reliable possibly owing to the negative effects of anxiety and adrenergic output on the testing results.
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Secondly, the criteria for diagnosing veno-occlusive dysfunction are also not very convincing. During a complete erection, the end-diastolic velocity (EDV) of the cavernosal arteries should be zero, or reverse flow may also be observed as a result of the increased intracavernosal pressure in the rigid stage of erection. In men with veno-occlusive disorder, the usual criterion for diagnosing veno-occlusive dysfunction has been an EDV greater than 5 cm/s.[41,42] This observation was not confirmed in all studies and there is a poor correlation of color Doppler ultrasound findings and veno-occlusive dysfunction when diagnosis was made using gold standard method, which is cavernosogram with infusion cavernosometry.[39]. Although the accurate diagnostic procedure for venous leak diagnosis is infusion cavernosometry after maximal vasodilatation, this is rarely employed owing to poor surgical results of venous leak repair.
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http://www.peaktestosterone.com/for…hp?topic=8678.0

To summarize all the potential permanent solutions I’m reading so far on my issue are:

1. Low risk exercising (pelvic floor muscle exercises including going to physical therapy, Kegel/Reverse Kegel)

2. High risk exercising (Jelqing, Clamping and stretches, etc)

3. Butchers broom, HorseChestnut, L-arganine & other supplements

4. Trimix & injections

5. DMSO + Iodine

6. Drugs (Cialis, Viagra, etc) - with use over a long period of time

7. Implants

The only solutions here that I feel comfortable with to start are 1, 3, 5 and 6. Even 5, I’m not too sure the side effects of DMSO. Lots of what I read up on are not scientifically proven/approved by the FDA, and its hard to know whether doing it will cause further injury/risking even further damage. This is why lots of these solutions are hard to jump into without understanding it fully and/or feeling very safe about it and treading slowly. Is there anything that I’m missing here? Do you guys think I should space out each alternative (e.g I first ONLY do 1 for 1-2 months, then I ONLY do 3 for 1-2 months, etc)? That way I can isolate and know what works and doesn’t? I hope to find a “cure” for my issue and hope you guys can really put me on the right path.

Originally Posted by Worriedguy
To summarize all the potential permanent solutions I’m reading so far on my issue are:

1. Low risk exercising (pelvic floor muscle exercises including going to physical therapy, Kegel/Reverse Kegel)

2. High risk exercising (Jelqing, Clamping and stretches, etc)

3. Butchers broom, HorseChestnut, L-arganine & other supplements

4. Trimix & injections

5. DMSO + Iodine

6. Drugs (Cialis, Viagra, etc) - with use over a long period of time

7. Implants

The only solutions here that I feel comfortable with to start are 1, 3, 5 and 6. Even 5, I’m not too sure the side effects of DMSO. Lots of what I read up on are not scientifically proven/approved by the FDA, and its hard to know whether doing it will cause further injury/risking even further damage. This is why lots of these solutions are hard to jump into without understanding it fully and/or feeling very safe about it and treading slowly. Is there anything that I’m missing here? Do you guys think I should space out each alternative (e.g I first ONLY do 1 for 1-2 months, then I ONLY do 3 for 1-2 months, etc)? That way I can isolate and know what works and doesn’t? I hope to find a “cure” for my issue and hope you guys can really put me on the right path.

You have the right attitude, start with the lowest risk and do one thing at a time.

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