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Deflated Glans and Firm Flaccid: Pelvic Floor Dysfunction

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Originally Posted by Smegma
I had ED for a week after performing a bit of PE exercise and now I can get a normal size erection but I noticed that it takes longer time to fully come back to flaccid size.has this something to do with venous leak or is it a positive indicator?

Extremely interesting observation! I injured myself back in the days using a ADS wrong (strangling my dick of necessary blood flow). It took me over 3 years to recover from the nerve damage (probably the dorsal nerve). What I noticed afterwards, was that after an erection, my dick would stay semi-erect way longer then what it used to. It also felt heavier, and not as smooth as it used to be. Now, after restarting using the ADS how it should be used, this have gone away and my dick feel like it used to. The “heavy” feeling is gone, and I’m guessing it’s something to do with blood flow in and out of the dick. I’m wondering if stretching the tunica albuginea is stimulating the function to the valves in the blood vessels somehow. I just don’t know.

I may be wrong but this is my thinking:

Doctors use the term “neurovascular” quite often in literature when talking about penis. So the nerves and the vascular systems are a close link. The nerves have to send the message to the arteries and veins to commence action. If the nerves are damaged, you can go a long time without erections which is not good. At the same time the vascular system is unharmed. If people with nerve damage use ED drugs, they have to be very careful to not get priapism (doctor info) because their arteries and veins worked fine in the first place.

This is why I think that nerve damage may cause some of these seeming venous leakages and “enlarged” flaccids.

Comment please.

Originally Posted by Owen33
I may be wrong but this is my thinking:

Doctors use the term “neurovascular” quite often in literature when talking about penis. So the nerves and the vascular systems are a close link. The nerves have to send the message to the arteries and veins to commence action. If the nerves are damaged, you can go a long time without erections which is not good. At the same time the vascular system is unharmed. If people with nerve damage use ED drugs, they have to be very careful to not get priapism (doctor info) because their arteries and veins worked fine in the first place.

This is why I think that nerve damage may cause some of these seeming venous leakages and “enlarged” flaccids.

Comment please.

Very good post my friend.sometimes doctors know less than normal people IMO.. Btw what do you mean with “enlarged flaccid”? Maybe do you mean the prolonged detumescence?? And ,in your opinion, could firm flaccid be related to this kind of nerve damage?


Start (october 2010) : BPEL 18,5 cm ; EL 17,5 cm ; MSEG 13,75 cm ,BEG 14,25 cm ;FL 12 cm ; FG 10,75 cm ; BPFSL 18,5 cm

3 months later ( January 2011) : BPEL 19 cm ; EL 18 cm ; MSEG 14 cm ; BEG 14,5 cm FL (hard to say if it grows due to size shifting of the soft state.. The same as before or bigger!) ; FG 11 cm ; BPFSL 19 cm***all hard sizes taken @ my hardest and doing a kegel***Goal: cementing a round 18 x 14 hard coupled with a good EQ.

Walgart (a member here) spoke of an enlarged flaccid. I also experienced that and I think it was just a very long time to achieve complete detumescence. A very long time.

Yes, I would guess that nerve damage is very often the cause of FF.

Then the bottom line could be - whether there is a firm flaccid or an enlarged flaccid coupled with ED and rubbery feeling plus other strange feelings in the penis with a deflated,colder than usual glans - this group of penile symptoms are all due to a certain degree of nerve damage, that has different healing time depending on the amount of damage itself.


Start (october 2010) : BPEL 18,5 cm ; EL 17,5 cm ; MSEG 13,75 cm ,BEG 14,25 cm ;FL 12 cm ; FG 10,75 cm ; BPFSL 18,5 cm

3 months later ( January 2011) : BPEL 19 cm ; EL 18 cm ; MSEG 14 cm ; BEG 14,5 cm FL (hard to say if it grows due to size shifting of the soft state.. The same as before or bigger!) ; FG 11 cm ; BPFSL 19 cm***all hard sizes taken @ my hardest and doing a kegel***Goal: cementing a round 18 x 14 hard coupled with a good EQ.

By the way I have to update my injury diary.. I had sex yesterday with my gf and everything went well.. It seems to be fully healed .. Have I to stay away from sex and masturbation just the same?


Start (october 2010) : BPEL 18,5 cm ; EL 17,5 cm ; MSEG 13,75 cm ,BEG 14,25 cm ;FL 12 cm ; FG 10,75 cm ; BPFSL 18,5 cm

3 months later ( January 2011) : BPEL 19 cm ; EL 18 cm ; MSEG 14 cm ; BEG 14,5 cm FL (hard to say if it grows due to size shifting of the soft state.. The same as before or bigger!) ; FG 11 cm ; BPFSL 19 cm***all hard sizes taken @ my hardest and doing a kegel***Goal: cementing a round 18 x 14 hard coupled with a good EQ.

Hi guys, I haven’t been very active lately or posted in this forum for a while, but I was doing some reading over at PEgym and (even though I’ve seen it countless times before) got the idea that the firm flaccid (at least) seems to be, in part (at least), for me have something to do with the pelvic floor muscles.

I noticed in myself that my normal state, that is, when I thought I was in a ‘relaxed’ state, I am actually constantly clenching one or several of the pelvic floor muscles (I don’t know much about penile anatomy etc). To test the theory, I looked and felt my penis while it was in the firm flaccid state, then I concentrated on relaxing all leg and pelvic muscles and, sure enough, my penis reverted to the normal, spongey, floppy, flaccid state. I then consciously squeezed the pelvic muscles and almost immediately my penis once again moved toward the firm flaccid state.

I repeated the above several times to be sure and now I have no doubt that constant constriction of these pelvic muscles is at least partly to blame for the firm flaccid (not sure yet about deflated glans etc). For the past two days, therefore, I have been regularly (borderline constantly) consiously relaxing the entire area, in an attempt to train myself to be relaxed down there normally. It is quite difficult as I have found that often-times when I used my legs, the pelvic penile muscles are also recruited, even by the simple act of walking or even changing stance while standing and not walking.

Instinctively, these results suggest to me that in some way the normal function of some neuronal pathways has been altered. If that is the case, I do believe that mental training and discipline may be a possible solution for the rectification of this issue (since our brains have a tremendous capacity for new neural plasticity).

Yep. I hear what you are saying, Tweaking. Some of my muscles gown there became so trained, that it is too easy to keep them clenched. The good part is that that serves to hold off the ejaculation. But also, it serves to hold off the blood flow and the erection too!

My girlfriend is a doctor. I looked up in her Gray’s Anatomy book all the muscles of the penis. There is one long muscle that shoots the sperm and urine (didn’t remember its name). Well, that gave me the idea to play with it. When kegeling properly that muscle contracts and pumps blood into the glans. Really cool stuff. Once the glans becomes inflated, then it becomes easier for me to relax and stay relaxed. I also learned to pay attention whether I am clenching or relaxing during sex. If you do a little bit of both intermittently, kegeling when having sex, then the glans inflation is the best, and it is the easiest to control the ejaculation. Really cool stuff.

It seems to me that the muscle that I’m unconsiously constantly clenching is the same muscle (or one of them) that needs to be relaxed when urinating. I don’t have access to Gray’s (but I might see if I can get an abridged online version or something) but in the meantime, what’s the name of this muscle?

After a few days of attempting to relax this muscle as much as possible (impossible to do all of the time) it’s actually getting a bit sore down there, which is interesting. Perhaps sore is the wrong word, but it feels tight. What do you guys think about maybe applying a bit of deep heat or Voltaren or perhaps some topical muscle relaxant (can’t think of one off the top of my head).

I’ve been thinking of trying out some simple response conditioning on myself to try to trick my body into associating the clenching of this muscle with unpleasantness and the relaxation of it with reward. I was thinking along the lines of clenching the pelvic floor muslces and pinching or scraping myself a bit with something that hurts then releasing the muscle and, say, looking at an arousing pornographic picture and thinking about sex before repeating. I have no idea whether or not this will work, I’m just trying to follow the basic tenets of what I learnt about response-conditioning at uni.

I’ve also found that the muscles seem to clench automatically whenever I move or tense my leg muscles, so I was thinking of an exercise where my legs are in a tensed state, say, on my tipie-toes, then while those muscles are activated, consiously relax the pelvic floor muscles to get them used to be relaxed while the leg muscles are tense.

What do you guys think?

Do/did you kegel a lot ?

Do you work out intensely ?


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I haven’t kegeled for over a year, when I first started noticing the issues described in this thread I had not been kegeling recently. When I did, I never managed to be consistent with it for more than perhaps a week.

Similar story with weight training, which I do on and off, 3 weeks here, 4 weeks there, with breaks usually about twice as long in between these bouts of effort.

Originally Posted by pooper11
It does not seem to be a physical issue, but more like a psychological one based around anxiety/depression (either or) and mood/relaxation. I believe it to be similar in manifestation to where sometimes one’s penis seems to shrink when it is time to measure it, performance anxiety causing ED, and depression causing a lack of sexual arousal.

Penises have been known to contract after PE as a natural physical response, this can cause anxiety. Persistent muscle tension is a known symptom of anxiety. Anxiety has also been known to cause cold hands/feet due to lack of blood flow to the extremities, including the penis.

To prove further that it is caused by a lack of blood flow, think about how the penis normally shrinks into a firm flaccid states when exposed to cold.

As far as treatment goes, think about the usual non-medicated treatment of depersonalization/derealization. Both of those disorders are caused by high levels of anxiety. They are persistent disorders. These are usually cured when the person suffering learns to surrender to their disorder, and eventually stop worrying about it, and by it’s own nature it will disappear.

Here is a link: http://www.articlesbase.com/non-fic…tion-29376.html

To conclude, it seems as though firm-flaccid can be seen as persistent performance anxiety, which can be overcome by removing all anxiety and tension surrounding the issue and becoming relaxed. Do not think about the issue, or ever remind yourself of it, and it will disappear. Do not even take note of state of the state of your penises while pissing, this wouldn’t be considered normal had you not heard of this issue, and is a sign of anxiety. If you still have the urge to check your penis, you still have the anxiety.

Wow pooper, I in fact DO have an anxiety problem. I am wondering if perhaps I just tired my dick out doing a bit too much PE, then noticed a difference and immediately starting my mind turning that something was wrong. Perhaps this has turned a short term physical problem into a long term mental problem?

EDIT: As I wrote the above reply I went to my own post about my recent issues/injury? to copy the link so I could add it here. While on my post I get an answer to my thread from “BigDaddy” that almost perfectly related to what I was typing in this reply to you good folks. Almost eary!

My post is very brief and is here: First “injury?” any help appreciated.


Spruce

Start Date Nov 05 2006: BPEL (5.50) NBPEL (5.0) E .Girth(4.75) F. Length(4.00) F. Girth(4.25)

Last Meas June 14 2007: BPEL (7) NBPEL (6) E .Girth(5.50) F. Length(4.125) F. Girth(4.50)

Originally Posted by Tweaking
It seems to me that the muscle that I’m unconsiously constantly clenching is the same muscle (or one of them) that needs to be relaxed when urinating. I don’t have access to Gray’s (but I might see if I can get an abridged online version or something) but in the meantime, what’s the name of this muscle?

I am not sure what the name of that muscle is. I may check later in the week. It is probably one of those PC/BC/IC muscles. When you pee try to shoot as far as you can — this is the muscle that you would flex. If, when having an erection, you pulse it on and off, relaxing and contracting it just for the right duration (like 1 sec on and 3 sec off), then you glans will get bigger.

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After a few days of attempting to relax this muscle as much as possible (impossible to do all of the time) it’s actually getting a bit sore down there, which is interesting. Perhaps sore is the wrong word, but it feels tight. What do you guys think about maybe applying a bit of deep heat or Voltaren or perhaps some topical muscle relaxant (can’t think of one off the top of my head).

Get yourself a hand-held shower head. They sell those with different massage functions (for women to masturbate in the shower). They are also great at relaxing all those pelvic floor muscles. Once fully relaxed, you will have a great-looking erection.

The ultimate muscle relaxant solution though is Botox! :-)

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I’ve been thinking of trying out some simple response conditioning on myself to try to trick my body into associating the clenching of this muscle with unpleasantness and the relaxation of it with reward. I was thinking along the lines of clenching the pelvic floor muslces and pinching or scraping myself a bit with something that hurts then releasing the muscle and, say, looking at an arousing pornographic picture and thinking about sex before repeating. I have no idea whether or not this will work, I’m just trying to follow the basic tenets of what I learnt about response-conditioning at uni.

Relaxing muscles is very mental. Like often you can’t pee when someone is watching you. Or, you can get an erection watching one chick but not the other. I use visualization to relax, this works for me.

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I’ve also found that the muscles seem to clench automatically whenever I move or tense my leg muscles, so I was thinking of an exercise where my legs are in a tensed state, say, on my tipie-toes, then while those muscles are activated, consiously relax the pelvic floor muscles to get them used to be relaxed while the leg muscles are tense.

Strange, but I always stand on my toes when getting a BJ, when doing her the doggy-style, and when she is on the table. Always did. I get a much better erection this way.

While googling today on this subject, I found this in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle

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Kegel exercises

The Kegel exercises are a series of voluntary contractions of all the perineal muscles. Such movement is done in an effort to strengthen all the striated muscles in the perineum’s area. They are often referred to simply as “kegels”, named after their inventor Dr. Arnold Kegel. These exercises also serve to contract, among manies, the ischiocavernosus, the bulbocavernosus and the cremaster muscle in men, as voluntary contraction of the pubococcygeus muscle also engages the cremasteric reflex, which lifts the testicles up, although this does not occur in all men. Kegel exercise have been prescribed to ameliorate erectile dysfunction due to venous leakage and to help men control premature ejaculation and to treat urinary incontinence in both sexes.

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