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Growers and showers

Would somebody with some medical knowledge please explain the physiological difference between growers and showers. Example: 2 guys with 6.5 BPEL One has a 5 inch flaccid, the other guy has a 3 inch. What’s going on? Is the shower more relaxed? Is it just blood? Or is there more meat?


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The tunica is an envelope of tough connective tissue or fascia that consists of mainly two different types of fibers: collagenous and elastic. The tunica generally has two layers, one with the fibers aligned mainly lengthwise (longitudinal) and the other with fibers aligned circumferentially.

Collagen fibers are relatively inelastic like a tendon. They extend to a predetermined length and not much more regardless of tensile force (until they rupture). Elastin fibers are elastic (duh), and shorten and relengthen readily. The penis is basically an envelope consisting of a sheet of fibrous tissue which gets filled to capacity hydrodynamically (if the hydraulics are working well). The size is largely limited by the inelastic collagen of the tunica if they are stretched to maximum length by sufficient hydraulic pressure in the corpora.

When flaccid, penis size is partly determined by the elastic fibers which tend to shorten and cause the collagenous fibers with which they are intertwined to “pleat up”. I suspect that the ratio of flaccid size to erect size depends partly on the ratio of elastin to collagen fibers in the tunica, and partly to the degree of vasodilatation in the penile arteries.

Originally Posted by redbear52
The tunica is an envelope of tough connective tissue or fascia that consists of mainly two different types of fibers: collagenous and elastic. The tunica generally has two layers, one with the fibers aligned mainly lengthwise (longitudinal) and the other with fibers aligned circumferentially.

Collagen fibers are relatively inelastic like a tendon. They extend to a predetermined length and not much more regardless of tensile force (until they rupture). Elastin fibers are elastic (duh), and shorten and relengthen readily. The penis is basically an envelope consisting of a sheet of fibrous tissue which gets filled to capacity hydrodynamically (if the hydraulics are working well). The size is largely limited by the inelastic collagen of the tunica if they are stretched to maximum length by sufficient hydraulic pressure in the corpora.

When flaccid, penis size is partly determined by the elastic fibers which tend to shorten and cause the collagenous fibers with which they are intertwined to “pleat up”. I suspect that the ratio of flaccid size to erect size depends partly on the ratio of elastin to collagen fibers in the tunica, and partly to the degree of vasodilatation in the penile arteries.

Your math model of the penis is convinced. I agree wth you regarding flaccid size.

But in your words I have some doubt regarding the possibility to increase size.

Originally Posted by redbear52
The tunica is an envelope of tough connective tissue or fascia that consists of mainly two different types of fibers: collagenous and elastic. …..

Collagen fibers are relatively inelastic like a tendon. They extend to a predetermined length and not much more regardless of tensile force (until they rupture). …….

The size is largely limited by the inelastic collagen of the tunica …..

Can you explain the mechanism of growth in your model?

Most human tissues are not in a static state but in a continual process of breakdown and repair. I think that the prevailing view is that a relatively inelastic tissue like a tendon can be gradually lengthened by repeated and prolonged application of a force that stretches the collagenous fibers to their length limit, causing micro-tears that are then repaired by new collagen fibers being laid down to bridge the tiny gaps that are created.

Originally Posted by redbear52

When flaccid, penis size is partly determined by the elastic fibers which tend to shorten and cause the collagenous fibers with which they are intertwined to “pleat up”. I suspect that the ratio of flaccid size to erect size depends partly on the ratio of elastin to collagen fibers in the tunica, and partly to the degree of vasodilatation in the penile arteries.

So what you seem to be saying is that if there is more elastin, then these fibers naturally turtle up, an otherwise bigger penis?


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Originally Posted by marky777
So what you seem to be saying is that if there is more elastin, then these fibers naturally turtle up, an otherwise bigger penis?
…or an otherwise smaller penis.

People seem to confuse ‘showers’ with ‘large’. A ‘shower’ is one whose flaccid size is close to erect size. That does not necessarily mean large. You could be smaller, and still have a flaccid size close to erect size.


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Originally Posted by marky777
Would somebody with some medical knowledge please explain the physiological difference between growers and showers. Example: 2 guys with 6.5 BPEL One has a 5 inch flaccid, the other guy has a 3 inch. What’s going on? Is the shower more relaxed? Is it just blood? Or is there more meat?

Showers are more relaxed than growers. This is my opinion, but I bet there is some truth to it. I am currently a
Medical Assistant about to take my nursing exam as soon as the state licensing board gets their shit together.


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Originally Posted by kingpole
Showers are more relaxed than growers. This is my opinion, but I bet there is some truth to it. I am currently a
Medical Assistant about to take my nursing exam as soon as the state licensing board gets their shit together.

Do you think we have a correlation between ” growering” and anxiety?

I am pretty sure of that.

I suffered of strong anxiety for all my life and I always thought was correlated at ” not having a decent flaccid penis”.

The difference between growers and showers is that showers are lucky bastards! Damn, even though I am on the larger end of the spectrum when erect, it would seem as if I was completely average (maybe even slightly smaller than average) when flaccid. It sucks because I guess in the bedroom is where size really matters, but it would be nice to feel just be walking around and feel that substantial hang all the time. I remember one time at a party we all went skinny dipping and this a girlfriend of mine says, “Tim is bigger than Jared, ha ha”. Even though she was joking, it was true! Little does she no I’m probably twice his size erect!….. being a grower is just unfortunate.


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It is what it is. I would on first glance, appear average at best. My erect size and flacid size don`t correlate with each other.

Whatever it is, it is annoying to be a grower.

Someone wrote this somewhere on Thunders: — note that “growers” flaccids show a lot of wrinkles (like an accordian) versus “showers” flaccids which are comparitively wrinkle free.

I wish I knew that as a teenager — I just assumed, that like mine, everybody’s flaccid doubled or tripled in size when they were erect.

Kingpole’s theory about relaxation is good, but I think maybe they just have better flaccid blood flow.

This might explain how some Thunder’s members are able to go from growers to showers. Increased tissue health, increased blood flow. Just a guess.


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Showers always get more attention. That’s the sad part. I’m weirdly in between. Some day’s I’m a shower, some days I’m a grower. But most of the time I’m a grower. :(

OK, everyone seems to wish they were a shower, period. But let’s think about this for a minute. If you had to choose, would you rather:

a) have a six inch flaccid and a seven inch BPEL.
or
b) have a 3 inch flaccid and an 8 inch BPEL.

I’d choose option b any day of the week.

I’d choose option A and then PE’d!

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